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Spock's Conscience/Should Spock warn _____ about ______?

Re: Spock's Conscience

Just wanted to point out that Section 31 isn't part of the Federation Charter, it's part of the Starfleet Charter. Starfleet preceded the Federation by what, 50 years? Starfleet was originally Earth's defense fleet. Have you guys not watched Enterprise? :p

Thanks for the heads up ;)
 
In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

...Botany Bay, move it to some secure location and never wake up Khan? Or even better, just blow the damn ship up and not worry about him ever.

He would have a great opportunity to prevent his younger self's death, and since there is no more Vulcan in this timeline, they probably wouldn't be able to put Spock's Katra back in him.
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

He should go tell the winning Ferengi lottery winning numbers...
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

...Botany Bay, move it to some secure location and never wake up Khan? Or even better, just blow the damn ship up and not worry about him ever.
Perhaps he does...but we don't necessarily need to know everything Old Spock does in this timeline.
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

While he's at it, he should give Matt Decker a call on the telly.
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

and V'Ger and maybe tell the Klingons they're going to blow up their key mining facility
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

Maybe he can save a few of those poor Red Shirts too! But he probably never bothered to learn their names! :p
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

Spock Prime 'Red shirt 1 will die next week on thursday, Red Shirt 2 on Tuesday the week after that...'

Kirk 'Red Shirt 1, that doesn't help they're are lots of them, what are their names'

Spock Prime 'I don't know, they were there so fast, a case of here today and gone tomorrow I never learn't their names'

Kirk 'Okay that helps!!!!'
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

Spock Prime 'Red shirt 1 will die next week on thursday, Red Shirt 2 on Tuesday the week after that...'

Kirk 'Red Shirt 1, that doesn't help they're are lots of them, what are their names'

Spock Prime 'I don't know, they were there so fast, a case of here today and gone tomorrow I never learn't their names'

Kirk 'Okay that helps!!!!'

:techman:

Kirk: "Why did you never learn their names?"

Spock Prime: "It was not logical to do so since they were never on the ship for long"
 
Re: In this new universe, should old Spock tell the Fed go find the...

Spock Prime 'Red shirt 1 will die next week on thursday, Red Shirt 2 on Tuesday the week after that...'

Kirk 'Red Shirt 1, that doesn't help they're are lots of them, what are their names'

Spock Prime 'I don't know, they were there so fast, a case of here today and gone tomorrow I never learn't their names'

Kirk 'Okay that helps!!!!'

:techman:

Kirk: "Why did you never learn their names?"

Spock Prime: "It was not logical to do so since they were never on the ship for long"

:guffaw:
 
Re: Spock's Conscience

Just wanted to point out that Section 31 isn't part of the Federation Charter, it's part of the Starfleet Charter. Starfleet preceded the Federation by what, 50 years? Starfleet was originally Earth's defense fleet. Have you guys not watched Enterprise? :p


Yeah, Starfleet was chartered by Earth around 2130 based on the best estimates from several non-specific age estimates given during the series. The Federation and Starfleet Academy aren't founded until 31 years later give or take. And Section 31 probably sprang into operation in the early 2130s at the latest if they were always part of the original charter.
 
Re: What should Old Spock tell Starfleet?

It doesn't matter what he tells them. If he tells the truth they will think he is insane.

"There's going to be some whale people coming around in a few years. We're going to have to fly around the sun real fast and travel into the past to steal some whales."

why woudlnt they believe him..
 
Well, of course they wouldn't believe him. I mean, it's not like a hero of Earth and great man of the Federation had had direct personal interaction with time travel. Maybe if Earth had clear proof of time travel, like say from a crashed probe that attacked the planet with components that were scanned to give negative ages, I could see it. But no, barring anything like that, obviously they'd have no choice but to assume that he's crazy. After all, it's not as though the Federation was recently attacked by an incredibly advanced starship from the future.
 
Re: What should Old Spock tell Starfleet?

It doesn't matter what he tells them. If he tells the truth they will think he is insane.

"There's going to be some whale people coming around in a few years. We're going to have to fly around the sun real fast and travel into the past to steal some whales."

why woudlnt they believe him..

Exactly, they only need to scan his body to work out he's Spock and therefore from his age he's from the future.

Just wanted to point out that Section 31 isn't part of the Federation Charter, it's part of the Starfleet Charter. Starfleet preceded the Federation by what, 50 years? Starfleet was originally Earth's defense fleet. Have you guys not watched Enterprise? :p

Erm, no.

The Federation charter comprises of 30 charters or sections, that's why Section 31 is called Section 31. The guy who was leader of Section 31 even said in his own words that Section 31 was created around the same time as the birth of the Federation in order to protect it by any means necessary.
 
^^^ true... and obviously they dont have the technology to examine the dna of boths spocks and determine that this dna is exactly the same, BUT! way much older.
 
This shouldn't be so hard to grasp. Everyone's favorite character from any series other than TOS flat out will not exist in this new timeline. The further out from the first temporal incursion, the more likely it is that something will disrupt the conception of each and every beloved TNG, DS9 and VOY character, until it becomes statistically impossible for any of them to exist. None of these people will be around to avert the dire threats to the Federation they did in the original timeline.

Spock won't be warning the Feds about stardate who gives a shit when some guy named Q throws the Enterprise D and Captain Picard into the path of the Borg. He just tells them that the Borg, as a species, exist, where they're most likely at and about any tech/tactics his timeline developed to deal with them. End of story.

Does he warn them about Kirk dying on the Enterprise B? Why they fuck would he? That's such a specific event, dependent upon way too many variables to possibly occur the same way again, even if there were an Ent B and Kirk was aboard during a similar disaster. The existence of advanced civilizations and their inclinations "Borg are out there and they're fucking evil" and natural hazards "Collapse the Bajoran wormhole NOW" and general ideas "Genesis doesn't work" are much more likely to remain true regardless of what ripples out from the divergence.

And it doesn't matter when or even if a single one of these numerous dire threats show up, only that they have a protocol in place that if threat A appears or you run into species B, solution X worked once, so why not try it again before we go it on our own just for the fucking sake of going it on our own?

If I got thrown back in time to 1979 resulting in some equivalent-crazy shit happening, causing a divergent timeline, you think it would be better if I didn't warn the US government about helping Al Qaeda get started in Afghanistan or backing Saddam against Iran, or buying into Kim Jong Il's bullshit again and again or any number of other shitty things that're going to wind up biting the US in the ass? Yeah, most likely things like 9/11 won't happen or they won't turn out the same way if they do, but damn, knowing they did once and potentially could again, could give my new US a chance to do something about it. I'm sure as hell not going to sit on my thumb and hope some whackjobs don't start crashing planes into prominent buildings in twenty years or that the people on Flight 93 can manage to down the plane short of its target this time.

I'm pretty sure that every single person that ends up dead this time around because Spock didn't open his mouth will take comfort in the knowledge Spock feels good about himself at night and some directive which not only doesn't exist yet, but doesn't even apply to an alternate world scenario has been upheld ... oh, wait.

Spock Prime: Yeah, that Whale Probe that just ass-raped Earth Fleet and destroyed the planet, I totally knew that thing was coming, but figured you'd know how to stop it this time. Wait, the Vulcan Science Directorate doesn't exist anymore and they never figured out that special star slingshot timetravel maneuver and nuMe never went through recovery on Vulcan to learn it anyway? Ooooo. Sorry. My bad. Probably shouldn't have expected you to be able to pull the same Vulcan desert rabbit out of your ass twice when your ass is no longer my ass and Vulcan desert rabbits don't exist anymore cause Me and Nero fucked with the timeline. You'll get the next dire threat to Earth right, though. I have a really good feeling about the next one. Oh, right. Earth's dead already. Hey, we've got plenty of room on New Vulcan for your tattered and broken handful of survivor refugees.
 
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