'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XI

[jamestyler]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

Given her earlier comments about tea and scones, I think she has a rather skewed view of the United Kingdom.

I would say something against that but in an odd twist of fate, I am currently drinking te and have scones. And I'm supposed to be in the haggis territory.

This is one of the reasons why I would've liked to have seen Chekov replaced with a female character. That and Russian chicks are hot.

I have the films to prove it

 

[Cakes488]

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As to point 1: Uhura was doing just fine in the bar, defending herself against Kirk's verbal onslaught. She came off as a strong, educated woman.

As to point 2: There are sexual references in all movies. Sometimes it's men. Sometimes it's women. Was the scene gratuitous? Yes. But it happens in all movies and it can happen with men and women. Don't be such a victim.

Well let's say it happens in some movies instead of all.... but the point is that it's completely unequal...way more women are stipping and naked than men and I'd like to know why. Why no penis but plenty of pussy?
I'm not a victim..it's the truth.... just stating simple fact and you can't dispute it because why...oh yeah it's true....so bring on some full frontals fellas!

[Ok but I'd be surprised to find out that the UK has a higher black/minority population than the USA. Like I said we've come along way but just this week I heard disparaging remarks from other whites about blacks....I guess they think that because I'm white I'm immediatley OK with that kind of talk... I still don't think that you can fully relate about discrimination -- and you think you can...so let's just agree to disagree on it.

I hate to butt in here, but I'm a bit lost (and British). Do you think he can't relate because he's British and the US has, for lack of a better term, the market cornered on racism?

Just curious as it seemed a little odd.

By no means does the US have the market cornered...they're plenty of problems over there too...but we can't compare the size and population of the US and UK....so obviously there's a lot more of it going on here. What Hermoid is doing is comparing his plight as a divorced father (who doesn't get treated equally by the courts) to that of what blacks and other minorities deal with regarding racism...while I agree that men do get the short end of the stick often in such proceedings and I can/do sympathize ...but to compare that situation to what minorities face concerning racism is ludicrous.

I really love all this veiwpoints from you men bitching about feminists who are bitching...because you're all missing the point point point. Maybe you can't GET the point because ur men....

Again my main complaint is not the uhura bra scene... I mean LOL that's pretty tame compared to even just the music video that are out.......but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair -- I just don't think this character is getting the respect she deserves. I'm not saying that she should just say "hailing frequencies open capt"...lord no...she finally has a real role !!!!!!! And what the fuck do they have her doing...RIGHT AWAY...in a got damn romantic lead...right away...couldn't even wait for the next movie. That's my main gripe.

While I can certainly agree that it gets tedious to have needless sex scenes in Trek, let alone most other stories. And while I can agree that women are targeted more often for these tedious attempts at selling to certain demographics. I can't agree that this Uhura was any worse than Uhura Prime. Some other users here have pointed out how Uhura has flirted with Spock in TOS and that Uhura was just a very sexual person anyway. Of course I, like some others I am sure, would have preferred Nurse Chapel to be the one finally getting some attention from Spock, but hey I'm not in control of the franchise.

Also, I bolded part of that quote to highlight my primary reason for registering, I've been a lurker for several days. You may not have chosen the best words, perhaps, so I will grant you that... maybe your emotions in the moment got the better of you... I dunno, I don't know you. But just on what is there I find it to be very amusing seeing such a sexist statement given the topic of this thread.

I do not mean this as a slam. What a lousy first post that would be! No. No slam intended. That bolded part just made me LOL so much. Remember I said I can concede several of your points, it's just that sentence hit me in the funny bone pretty hard. Basically I'm just trying to say LOL, but make it clear I'm making no slam on your person or judgement etc. That just cracked me up.

PEACE

Well I'm glad that I prompted you to register and respond!! Welcome to the board...

Yes I guess it was a little sexist my remark...but in the same turn I feel it's also true.... and I don't think in a bad way. It's the same as me not fully understanding what men go through because I'm not a man, yes I can try to relate.... but I cannot fully grasp the going through life as a man experience....although I wouldn't mind it...considering that men get paid more then women even if they're doing the same job!

Re-opening.

Everyone, please try to behave. Even Cakes.

See what happens when I don't have you to look after me...total chaos !

Given her earlier comments about tea and scones, I think she has a rather skewed view of the United Kingdom.

So following along the same lines of my limited knowledge of the UK and it's inhabitants...I'd say judging from your response that you sound like an uptight Englishmen who can't take a joke and takes everything allllll too seriously. Did I get that right or am I just feeding into the sterotypes?

Seriously...you needs to chill, it was just a joke about the tea and scones...but plainly you didn't get it -- I purposely put every sterotype into that sentence that I could...but it's just over your head mate. Now steady on old chap and don't let dear old cakes ruffle your feathers too much.

 

[Cakes488]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

Given her earlier comments about tea and scones, I think she has a rather skewed view of the United Kingdom.

I would say something against that but in an odd twist of fate, I am currently drinking te and have scones. And I'm supposed to be in the haggis territory..

Now that is funny!

 

[CommanderRaytas]

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Back to the feminists.

How come there are no Meninists? It is because they need no validation?

I think we should call them malilist.

 

[Garak]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

That pussycat should smile more.

Probably her time of the month.

 

[trampledamage]

Re: 'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XII

Has this been posted yet:

http://firefox.org/news/articles/2794/1/Opinion-Women-in-the-New-Star-Trek-Movie/Page1.html

A different feminist point of view, and much more of the way I saw Uhura in the movie than the opinion at the start of this thread.

"She's focused, she doesn't muck about, and she's hella smart and awesome at her job. This to me is a good thing. But just because she has a love interest, this does not in my eyes reduce her to the role of nothing but a love interest."

Brilliant article - thanks for the link.

" In both Sulu and Uhura's cases, Pike picks them because they can do what he needs. He recognizes they are excellent resources, and he will use any and all resources he has to hand. That's not feminism--that's gender parity. Because Uhura's expertise is in the realm of "brainy" and not "brawny", mebbe it's not as visually cool. But for me, as a fangirl, I actually chalk being a kickass xenolinguist up there with samurai sword fight. It's not as flashy, and it's not an action set piece, but it is still cool."

This is exactly how I feel too.

 

[Hermiod]

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Given her earlier comments about tea and scones, I think she has a rather skewed view of the United Kingdom.

So following along the same lines of my limited knowledge of the UK and it's inhabitants...I'd say judging from your response that you sound like an uptight Englishmen who can't take a joke and takes everything allllll too seriously. Did I get that right or am I just feeding into the sterotypes?

Seriously...you needs to chill, it was just a joke about the tea and scones...but plainly you didn't get it -- I purposely put every sterotype into that sentence that I could...but it's just over your head mate. Now steady on old chap and don't let dear old cakes ruffle your feathers too much.

I'm not the one getting offended because Uhura had a boyfriend in a movie. Just sayin'.

 

[Cakes488]

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Given her earlier comments about tea and scones, I think she has a rather skewed view of the United Kingdom.

So following along the same lines of my limited knowledge of the UK and it's inhabitants...I'd say judging from your response that you sound like an uptight Englishmen who can't take a joke and takes everything allllll too seriously. Did I get that right or am I just feeding into the sterotypes?

Seriously...you needs to chill, it was just a joke about the tea and scones...but plainly you didn't get it -- I purposely put every sterotype into that sentence that I could...but it's just over your head mate. Now steady on old chap and don't let dear old cakes ruffle your feathers too much.

I'm not the one getting offended because Uhura had a boyfriend in a movie. Just sayin'.

It would of been perfect if you would of put the sticking tongue out emoticon at the end of your sentence!! I hope you don't mind but I'm editing it in...

But I'm not offended because I do the offending -- have you read my posts...they're quite colorful LOL. Uhura can have a man...just not my man...I mean Spock...he's busy on the bridge runnin the damn ship and I just thought of this...this Uhura/Spock thing can get in the way of the bromance betwixt spock/kirk...it's really about kirk/spock/mccoy...those relationships...or at least is was about that....

 

[Crusher Disciple]

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^ Eh, I don't think Kirk thought of her more than a challenge. Finding out she's with the guy who almost got him kicked out of Starfleet probably got in his craw.

But I'm sure he'll get over her real fast when the next piece of tail walks by.

 

[S'kai]

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I have a theory about the undressing scene. It was totally unnecessary to the movie, but TPTB wanted it for the trailers - a message to show how different the new Star Trek would be and to tantalize the audience with a bit of sex.

Think about it. That scene was much more important to the trailers than it was to the movie.

 

[M'Sharak]

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Has this been posted yet:

http://firefox.org/news/articles/2794/1/Opinion-Women-in-the-New-Star-Trek-Movie/Page1.html

A different feminist point of view, and much more of the way I saw Uhura in the movie than the opinion at the start of this thread.

I like this one. There's evidence of a lot more thought and consideration of various elements having gone into the writing of it than I think was present in the review linked in the OP; that one struck me as being more the result of a checklist-style "let's see what I can find that offends me" approach (which is great if being offended is all one is after, but tends to miss a lot which is of value.)

 

[Hermiod]

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It would of been perfect if you would of put the sticking tongue out emoticon at the end of your sentence!! I hope you don't mind but I'm editing it in...

But I'm not offended because I do the offending -- have you read my posts...they're quite colorful LOL. Uhura can have a man...just not my man...I mean Spock...he's busy on the bridge runnin the damn ship and I just thought of this...this Uhura/Spock thing can get in the way of the bromance betwixt spock/kirk...it's really about kirk/spock/mccoy...those relationships...or at least is was about that....

Right, so you're jealous because it's Spock, right ? Or is your argument basically "Bros before Hos" ? That's what it sounds like.

I'm more than a little jealous of Kirk for making it with a hot green Rachel Nichols, but I'm not marking the movie down or agreeing with the ranting of crazy people on their blogs because of it.

The Kirk/Spock/McCoy trinity is shown in its early stages here. That kind of friendship doesn't just happen overnight.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

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Boy, these ladies sure don't get tired of looking for shit everywhere...

Like any good, self-proclaimed geek, I went out to see the new Star Trek movie this past weekend. It was very enjoyable. The writers put in plenty of tributes to the original series ("I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" lol) as well as some witty lines. The special effects were awesome without being overdone, and the storyline was easy to follow even if you were never a Trekkie.
Also, there weren't *that* many plot holes. I always expect a few plot holes here and there in a movie, but get frustrated when there is one every five minutes. That didn't happen here. Good job, J. J. Abrams.
However, there is one subject that I take issue with. And that is the characterization of Uhura. As many may know, Uhura is famous for being a black woman on the original Star Trek, played by Nichelle Nichols, and also for sharing one of the first interracial kisses with Captain Kirk on tv.
*****SPOILER ALERT!!!!!******
What I don't like about the portrayal of Uhura in the recent Star Trek movie:
1. Uhura can't fight physically.
In the 2009 Star Trek movie, Uhura is cast as an intelligent woman and skilled linguist who adds talent to the crew. She is also cast as a sex pot in a tight skirt!
The first time we meet her in the movie is when Kirk starts hitting on her in the bar and then gets in a fight over her with other space cadets. While the fight is going on, Uhura stands by helplessly in her mini-skirt and her boots, whining, "Stop it, guys. Stop it! Stop it now!" Keep in mind that she's a member of *Starfleet*, which is basically the army.
2. Uhura has an underwear scene.
Then the writers give her an underwear scene. Yup, that's right, the sexy linguist in her underwear. Don't worry, don't be frightened by her awesome language skills, you can see her in her hot underwear, too, and remember that she's just some hot girl that all the cool guys want. *sarcasm*
Really, Abrams? Really, was the underwear scene necessary? I don't think so. I think Kirk could have found out about her Klingon decoding in some other way.

Uhura in the new Star Trek movie

Chicks....

 

[Cakes488]

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It would of been perfect if you would of put the sticking tongue out emoticon at the end of your sentence!! I hope you don't mind but I'm editing it in...

But I'm not offended because I do the offending -- have you read my posts...they're quite colorful LOL. Uhura can have a man...just not my man...I mean Spock...he's busy on the bridge runnin the damn ship and I just thought of this...this Uhura/Spock thing can get in the way of the bromance betwixt spock/kirk...it's really about kirk/spock/mccoy...those relationships...or at least is was about that....

Right, so you're jealous because it's Spock, right ? Or is your argument basically "Bros before Hos" ? That's what it sounds like.

I'm more than a little jealous of Kirk for making it with a hot green Rachel Nichols, but I'm not marking the movie down or agreeing with the ranting of crazy people on their blogs because of it.

The Kirk/Spock/McCoy trinity is shown in its early stages here. That kind of friendship doesn't just happen overnight.

LOL I'm not jealous because it's fiction...I just threw that my man thing in their for dramatic effect.
Besides...Kirk has been and will always be my main man. Noted that a friendship like that doesn't happen overnight...but will it...can it.... happen "the same way" if Uhura's involved? Oh and PS I'm not marking the movie down -- I loved it and saw it twice, which I've never done before -- I just don't care for this aspect of the film and I stand by my statement that it was unnecessary and the plot would not have suffered one bit if they omitted you. You on the other hand claim the movie would be a failure if they took out this uhura/spock thing -- you really stand by that statement....Really?

 

[indranee]

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soooo we're jealous of fictional characters making it?!

 

[Hermiod]

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LOL I'm not jealous because it's fiction...I just threw that my man thing in their for dramatic effect.
Besides...Kirk has been and will always be my main man. Noted that a friendship like that doesn't happen overnight...but will it...can it.... happen "the same way" if Uhura's involved? Oh and PS I'm not marking the movie down -- I loved it and saw it twice, which I've never done before -- I just don't care for this aspect of the film and I stand by my statement that it was unnecessary and the plot would not have suffered one bit if they omitted you. You on the other hand claim the movie would be a failure if they took out this uhura/spock thing -- you really stand by that statement....Really?

No, I'm saying it would have been less good.

Oh, and Spock and Kirk seemed pretty damned chummy at the end.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

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soooo we're jealous of fictional characters making it?!

That seems to suggest a disappointing lack of action in real life.

 

[indranee]

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now, now. no posting about posters

 

[Hermiod]

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soooo we're jealous of fictional characters making it?!

That seems to suggest a disappointing lack of action in real life.

I'm jealous of anyone who gets to be in the same room as Rachel Nichols.

 

[indranee]

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see, that's different. she's a Real Person.

or, is she?