Really an alternate time line??

[Rémi Hébert]

After seeing the movie, I was very surprise of the destruction of Vulcan and the alternate time line that the arrival of Nero caused. What a great idea! But I’ve been thinking about this for a long time. Is it really an alternate time line, or is it in fact the “actual” time line that we know in the series. All my ideas converge that it is the time line that we know!

First, I’ve always wonder why we never saw Vulcan ships in the original series and all the other series after. We hear about the Vulcans, but they play a much hidden role. In fact, the first time I saw a Vulcan ship was in Star Trek: Enterprise... which is 100 years before Kirk!!! In that series, Vulcans are everywhere and they really play an active role in the future federation.

Second, what are the chances that all the crew would get together without the interference of Nero. What are that chances that Scotty would be on the Enterprise without these events?

The scenario is so great. It let many opens doors for different possibilities.

I’m a really big fan!!

Rémi

 

[Islander]

I do like this idea. It's the first time that a time travel story doesn't waste our time. Usually, there would be something at the end reconcilling the timeline ande nullifying the story that just happened. And that includes First Contact. The crew did experience it and grow from it, but the in the rest of the universe it is like it never happened. It always like that. Now, it DID happened.

 

[NumberOne]

I do like this idea. It's the first time that a time travel story doesn't waste our time. Usually, there would be something at the end reconcilling the timeline ande nullifying the story that just happened. And that includes First Contact. The crew did experience it and grow from it, but the in the rest of the universe it is like it never happened. It always like that. Now, it DID happened.

I must admit this is why I don't really have issues with the going back in time scenario. They didn't really "reset" things back to normal. Kinda refreshing.

 

[seigezunt]

and it means we really don't know what will happen next. Yay!

 

[Chaos Descending]

Considering that the actual planet Vulcan appears in the TOS episode "Amok Time", I have to assume that since Vulcan no longer exists that this is, in fact, a new altered timeline.

 

[Deckerd]

It was indeed refreshing not to have a reset. I was expecting one right up until the final credits.

 

[Rémi Hébert]

Considering that the actual planet Vulcan appears in the TOS episode "Amok Time", I have to assume that since Vulcan no longer exists that this is, in fact, a new altered timeline.

We so rarely see the planet Vulcan that it could easily be the new colony that the old Spock is talking about at the end of the movie, and this colony is now "Vulcan"... All we saw about the Vulcan planet in TOS is the front of a temple that does not look so ancient, no as ancient as what we saw in Star Trek: Enterprise... No cities, nothing!

The old Spock also said that by saving the life of the members of the Vulcan Science Academy (including his father Sarek), they would save their cultural heritage... This new colony is the Vulcan planet that we know!

Soo much things to think about!

Bye!

Rémi

 

[Lt Cmdr Tyler]

As Spocks doing his 'log' he mentions that he estimates that there's only about 10,000 vulcans left... but 6 BILLION DIED!!

I find it hard to beleive there's only 10,000 gloating around the quadrant.

I'm Australian and theres about 100,000 thousand of us abroad at any given time.

just didn't sound right.

"Live Long and Prosper" you remaining 'Endangered Species'

BTW (sshhhhh dont tell anyone but it made me cry)

 

[Jolantru]

I think it is considered an alternate time line, because it was never the producers wish to alter anything in the existing series. But these movies are still considered cannon with the presence of elder Spock, if that makes sense.

 

[Garth Rockett]

Spock Prime explicitly states in the film that the timeline is unfolding differently from the events he previously experienced. It's definitely an alternate timeline from TOS. Besides, how would you reconcile Kirk's backstory from TOS (serving aboard the Farragut, for example) with the film (becomes Captain straight out of the academy)? There's also the issue of Chekov being four years older than reported in TOS.

Definitely an alternate timeline. But I agree it is a bold and appreciated (by this viewer) move.

 

[USS Excelsior]

In the TNG episode "Gambit Part 2" they go to Vulcan to follow that woman with that telepathic weapon thing. Plus the many references to the planet Vulcan in both TOS and TNG.

 

[Islander]

I think it is considered an alternate time line, because it was never the producers wish to alter anything in the existing series. But these movies are still considered cannon with the presence of elder Spock, if that makes sense.

It does. It actually makes this film a SEQUEL to the existing universe has it must exist up to the point after the Nemesis events where Romulas is destroyed causing Nero to go back in time and creating this new timeline. Ahhh.. quantum mechanics...

 

[Rémi Hébert]

Spock Prime explicitly states in the film that the timeline is unfolding differently from the events he previously experienced. It's definitely an alternate timeline from TOS. ...

Definitely an alternate timeline. But I agree it is a bold and appreciated (by this viewer) move.

The theory that I'm proposing would suggest that the old Spock came from a time line that we don't know, a time line where the Vulcan planet is not destroyed. The time line we know is the one of the young Spock...

The old Spock said that in his time line, Kirk often meets his father. In our time line, Kirk never made a refence of his father...



Bye!

Rémi

 

[Qonos]

Spock Prime explicitly states in the film that the timeline is unfolding differently from the events he previously experienced. It's definitely an alternate timeline from TOS. ...

Definitely an alternate timeline. But I agree it is a bold and appreciated (by this viewer) move.

The theory that I'm proposing would suggest that the old Spock came from a time line that we don't know, a time line where the Vulcan planet is not destroyed. The time line we know is the one of the young Spock...

The old Spock said that in his time line, Kirk often meets his father. In our time line, Kirk never made a refence of his father...



Bye!

Rémi

It's an alternate timeline because even if it was "Another Vulcan" I doubt Sarek would have gotten remarried so quicky to another woman, named Amanda.

 

[Islander]

It's an alternate timeline because even if it was "Another Vulcan" I doubt Sarek would have gotten remarried so quicky to another woman, named Amanda.

...that Spock himself would have called "mother" in the voyage home...

 

[Lt Cmdr Tyler]

We can debate about whether or not it is an alternate time line all year long.

all that matters is that this is kick ass and theres now gotta be some serious changes to the UFP. Vulcan and Humans are like the Poms and us Aussies. The Yanks and the Canadians. Bread and Butter.

But now is gone... what happens nexxt????

 

[Rémi Hébert]

It's an alternate timeline because even if it was "Another Vulcan" I doubt Sarek would have gotten remarried so quicky to another woman, named Amanda.

...that Spock himself would have called "mother" in the voyage home...

Ah! Wow! This is a great answer! You are probably right, this is an alternate time line. I just wanted to test my theory!!!

Bye!

Rémi

 

[Rémi Hébert]

We can debate about whether or not it is an alternate time line all year long.

all that matters is that this is kick ass ...

But now is gone... what happens nexxt????

Yes!!! I'm so happy that Star Trek is back... I just need it!!

Bye!

Rémi

 

[Islander]

We can debate about whether or not it is an alternate time line all year long.

all that matters is that this is kick ass and theres now gotta be some serious changes to the UFP. Vulcan and Humans are like the Poms and us Aussies. The Yanks and the Canadians. Bread and Butter.

There is no debate, it is and alternate timeline. It is said in the movie itself.

But please clarify your analogy here. You're comparing Canadians to Humans or Vulcans, hmm?!?

 

[Jeri]

The destruction of Vulcan was a bit of a stunner; but it virtually guarantees we will be seeing a boatload of Vulcans in sequels, which idea I really like.

Vulcan was my favorite planet outside of Earth; it reminds me of home in Arizona.

The Vulcan ships we saw so much of in ENT were awesomely beautiful; and the Jellyfish was reminiscent of their basic ring designs.