Reb00t (of course spoilers)

[commodore64]

Forgive me if others have started a similar thread in here. You know, I think Abrams does an admirable job at rebooting Trek. I've been thinking, none of the characters are exactly like the TOS characters -- they've had slightly different pasts, thanks to an angry, time-traveling miner.

In that way, I can accept that Spock is not the Spock we know, Kirk isn't the Kirk we know, etc.

It also provides (as the nuTrek opportunity thread indicates) opportunities to explore things that contradict the lore we know. It throws canon out the window and gives it the middle finger. The only Trek that still exists is as someone pointed out in the Enterprise thread is -- ironically -- Enterprise.

What's weird is this movie provides Star Trek Path 1 and Star Trek Path 2. My mind is spinning from the ways in which it is the ultimate in time travel. So, for example, if the world is incredibly different, than Spock may never help the Romulans which means he doesn't promise to save Romulus, which means Nero never goes back in time which means the real universe is still around. (My head hurts!)

So, what are your thoughts on *Reb00t!*?

 

[The Wormhole]

Your title is meant specifically to catch my attention, isn't it?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

The zeroes instead of the letter o is very nifty! Did you came up with that all by yourself?

 

[commodore64]

^ I hang out typically in other threads, so I'm not sure how to take that. I'll assume positive intent and say: no. H4ck3r5 (hackers) did.

 

[DEWLine]

It isn't that weird. Multiverses have been part of superhero comics mythology since before Trek.

 

[commodore64]

I guess that's true. I liked X-Men and they had oodles. I guess what's different is that this isn't in print, it's only on-screen.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

^ I hang out typically in other threads, so I'm not sure how to take that. I'll assume positive intent and say: no. H4ck3r5 (hackers) did.

^^^ My apologies, it was indeed negative intent.

It's just that.. I saw the title, saw 'Star Trek Path 1' and 'Star Trek Path 2' and had no idea what the blitz you were on about.

I do think that Star Trek viewers shouldn't be so estranged to the concept of multiverses, do you?

 

[Garrovick]

I think there are way too many cheerleaders?

I can't wait for the "OMG It's Great" or those of the opposing view, to die down and a real discussion starts after the DVD, the book has been read, and people have had time to think about the who, what, where and when.

Just like in the other forums.

 

[commodore64]

I do think that Star Trek viewers shouldn't be so estranged to the concept of multiverses, do you?

I agree. I think we've seen lots of multiverses, but not quite like this. I mean, we have the Mirror Universe. But ... this feels a lot like the normal one.

Garrovick, I agree on wanting a discussion. I mean, I'm still processing it. There are things I loved and things I wasn't too crazy about. I loved the nuDr. McCoy. I liked the flashy look -- things did seem brighter. I liked the new phasers. I liked that the women seem more independent. Seeing Chris Pike was great. I'm not so crazy about nuSpock or him showing affection/emotion in the Transporter Room with Uhura. The plot was like Swiss cheese.

Overall, I'm happy to see Star Trek and think Abrams did a nice job. I just have to keep in mind this isn't canon. It's a complete reboot.

 

[Greg Cox]

It isn't that weird. Multiverses have been part of superhero comics mythology since before Trek.

True enough. I wonder if that's why some of us are relatively unruffled by this development. I'm used to multiple versions of comic book continuity, alternate takes on Sherlock Holmes or Frankenstein or whatever, old and new versions of Zorro, Battlestar Galactica, King Arthur, etc. Great stories and characters always get reinterpreted.

What's one more Trek continuity?

 

[Ro Boat]

Multiverses were presented in several episodes of different series. To me, the closest example to this type of slightly different universe is Parallels (TNG). One of those thousands of Enterprise-Ds might have been from this nuTrek universe.

 

[Jackill]

Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away. This change in the time line has caused every series (with the exception of Enterprise) to become non-existent.

Example 1: With no Vulcan all of the episodes on Vulcan can not Happen.

Example 2: Without Spock's mother all of those episodes did not Happen

If none of those episodes happened what is to say that any of the episodes happened. Which means that all of the Trek knowledge that we know and the time line books that we have all looked through means nothing.

Will Pacard actually become a captain what about Janeway.

While people say that they did it to remove the conflicts that Enterprise caused....burning down everything that we know is not the answer.

Again why should the Franchise care about the fans...they never have before.

Don't Get me wrong it was a cool movie up till the part where it became obvious that everything that we knew was flushed down the toilet with the new timeline.

 

[Brent]

Re: Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

oh boy, sigh

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

Not true. Certain parts of each series still exist. For example, the DS9 episode where some of the characters go to 21st century Earth.

 

[Borgminister]

Re: Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

TOS happened... in an alternate time line, as has been explained over. And over. And over again.

 

[DeafPoet]

Re: Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

Yeah, and if you discount all the alternate universe stuff they went out of their way to explain, that's totally true.

But since they did explain it, it's not an issue.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Multiverses were presented in several episodes of different series. To me, the closest example to this type of slightly different universe is Parallels (TNG). One of those thousands of Enterprise-Ds might have been from this nuTrek universe.

Actually, I've thought alot about that episode too, as this movie was approaching and we were getting more info.

That is the way I'm looking at it.

I'm just not worried about canon, at this point.

Of course, I might feel differently when they start messing with DS9 canon.

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

All those episodes still exist, just in another universe.

Now we have a whole new future to play with . . . .

 

[Chess Piece Face]

Re: Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

Wrong, wrong, wrong. All of Star Trek already happened and nothing can change that.

Everything up to Romulus exploding happened and we saw it. Now we are just seeing take 2. It does not erase what came before. And, in the "old" timeline, everything is the same up to and after Romulus explodes. None of that is changed.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Star Trek as we know it has been wiped away

Oh, with a few exceptions directly related to Vulcan they could pretty much pick and choose what events to keep or let go in the nuTrek timeline. So it's not that big a deal.

Consider that this movie posits a changed history in which Chekov and Uhura, both younger than Kirk and therefore born after Nero begins changing history, are still pretty much the people they always were and wind up serving in the same positions aboard the same ship as in the oldTrek timeline.

Given that apparent tendency of events to "right" themselves, we can - if we choose to for our own amusement - posit a 24th century in this new timeline in which little other than appearances are different.

In reality, I don't expect that nuTrek will revisit the 24th century or very many of the events we've seen in previous Trek stories anyway.