Totally and completely missed that. Good to know.
Dollhouse: "Omega" (1x12)
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I went with above average, not the best they've done but I liked it.
I know its not going to happen but i would have loved for fox to have given this show a 2nd series.
I know it started off too slow but after about the 4/5th episode i thought the show stared to go places and show some promise.
I wanted to know if they were going to re wipe the doc because she knew what she was and i would have liked to see what they would have done with Victor.
I also wonder if any other of the staff are doll's it would make finding qualified staff a lot easer.
I know it started off too slow but after about the 4/5th episode i thought the show stared to go places and show some promise.
I wanted to know if they were going to re wipe the doc because she knew what she was and i would have liked to see what they would have done with Victor.
I also wonder if any other of the staff are doll's it would make finding qualified staff a lot easer.
God, I'm an idiot.
A second season could turn out very interesting.
I didn't like the ending, with Ballard going to work for the Dollhouse. But I just realized -- he's now in the perfect position to bring it down, to find out what its real purpose is, and to stop whatever it is that the Dollhouses are planning. He's inside, and at this point the series becomes a race against time as Ballard collects his evidence against the Dollhouse while not arousing suspicions from Boyd. Adele has let the fox in the hen house, basically, as much out of self-preservation as out of the ethos of "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
A second season could turn out very interesting.
excellent, despite not being the end all/be all.
finally, some amy acker love (and explanation). more layers upon layers. plus amy lap dancing.
one question - i mightve forgotten - did we find out who ultimately sent Echo & November with their messages to help Ballard?
finally, some amy acker love (and explanation). more layers upon layers. plus amy lap dancing.
one question - i mightve forgotten - did we find out who ultimately sent Echo & November with their messages to help Ballard?
I just remembered one thing that I really hated. The "There's 32(?) personalities in here, and not one of them thinks you can sign a contract to be a slave... especially not now we have a black president." line just seemed like bad writing to me. I mean was there some doubt slavery was bad until Obama became President? Was that relevant in anyway? Terrible line.
Claire/Whiskey I believe.
Hard to tell. Whiskey/Doc told Topher he had given her better computer skills than she thought a doctor should need. So it was either her or maybe even Topher through her. It's not really clear and at this point it's hard to care.
Thought this episode was a disaster. There was some real potential in the concept and a couple of good episodes but over all, as my full series introduction to the "phenomena" Joss Whedon, I'm left aghast at all the hype and even more pleased he was cut from the Wonder Woman film project.
I saw a couple Buffy and Serenity episodes but not enough to form a view on his work.
After what had to be the best episode of the season, "Briar Rose," this one should have been a slam-bang conclusion. Instead, after an awful lot of running around on everyone's part, "Omega" ended up looking no different from the other ten episodes that weren't titled "Briar Rose."
I agree with those that say a lot of what happened in this episode was predictable. Even the flashbacks that revealed the backstory for Dr. Saunders (while enjoyable) were easy to see coming. That was okay by me.... up to a point. That point was the final five minutes. I'm not too surprised that it wasn't Echo that Ballard was able to bargain for. I'm sure he's got some plan to work from within the belly of the beast (a la Angel at Wolfram & Hart) to help get her out. In the meanwhile... just like ten out of the other eleven aired episodes... we conclude with the audience knowing a ton, but our protagonist knowing basically zilch.
This would not have been nearly as frustrating this time had it not been for Echo's transformation and subsequent enlightenment. She FINALLY had come to understand it all. The next thing you know ZIP! FLASH! "Did I fall asleep?" I won't miss hearing that phrase. So Echo is "mind-wiped" while retaining bits and pieces AGAIN, and Alpha is on the loose AGAIN. Effectively nullifying the character growth of the last two episodes. Reminds me of that other mindfuck of an episode, "A Spy in the House of Love."
Average. Alan Tudyk and Amy Acker were great, and Eliza had that one great scene as Echo with the multiple imprints, but it was all for naught. Is THIS really how they're gonna leave things?!
I agree with those that say a lot of what happened in this episode was predictable. Even the flashbacks that revealed the backstory for Dr. Saunders (while enjoyable) were easy to see coming. That was okay by me.... up to a point. That point was the final five minutes. I'm not too surprised that it wasn't Echo that Ballard was able to bargain for. I'm sure he's got some plan to work from within the belly of the beast (a la Angel at Wolfram & Hart) to help get her out. In the meanwhile... just like ten out of the other eleven aired episodes... we conclude with the audience knowing a ton, but our protagonist knowing basically zilch.
This would not have been nearly as frustrating this time had it not been for Echo's transformation and subsequent enlightenment. She FINALLY had come to understand it all. The next thing you know ZIP! FLASH! "Did I fall asleep?" I won't miss hearing that phrase. So Echo is "mind-wiped" while retaining bits and pieces AGAIN, and Alpha is on the loose AGAIN. Effectively nullifying the character growth of the last two episodes. Reminds me of that other mindfuck of an episode, "A Spy in the House of Love."
Average. Alan Tudyk and Amy Acker were great, and Eliza had that one great scene as Echo with the multiple imprints, but it was all for naught. Is THIS really how they're gonna leave things?!
From the way Echo said it, it was clearly her way of dangling bait before Caroline. Echo was giving her a hint of how much of the world she was missing out on, to convince her to resume her life.
People who have been fortunate enough to own slaves probably would speak very highly of the experience and recommend the service to any like minded individuals who don't mind dehumanizing people into skittish cattle in return for an obedient and free labour force.
There's a line (Ultimate) Magento said once while he ws informing humanity that it was time for homosuperior to take the reigns which always made me giggle: "And then we decide which of you are euthanased, slaves or food in our laddars."
I didn't have a problem with this because what happened to her in this episode wasn't really growth. Her enlightenment was brought about by a machine, a flick of a switch, and in that sense is no more growth than any of the times she received a normal imprint. It honestly would have felt like a bit of a cheat to me if the change had stuck, forced and artificial.
An excellent final episode. This final two parter was really good and it's too bad the rest of the show wasn't at that level. Now I'm sad the show is canceled; before this I didn't really care. Alpha was fun. So this episode makes it seem like the Dollhouse IS immortality, as long as you intentionally download yourself onto a chip and not die unexpectedly. If the personality can be put into anyone, then you could just go from one body to the next forever.
Really? I think it's damning to suggest that souls do not exist and there is no metaphysical nature tot he universe whatsoever, and besides whatever perfect replica you leave behind only thinks it is you, when it's basically merely a child or a clone. To say that your will and agenda will continue is one thing, but to say that it is still you who is implementing that will and agenda is another thing if more than one of you start cropping up arguing he is more real than the other? I recall some nasty talk in that shitfest the seventh day when a clone of the big bad turned up a few minutes early as his progenitor began to figure out he wasn't dying after all and he didn't need the clone after all which then inso became a battle for the right to be that guy.
But that's why Willy Wonker needed a child in the original movie to imprint on. Someone who would follow his will and agenda without expressing their own ideology whatsoever.
So really, the only way to claim that this is immortality is to accept that no one is real. That your are only who you think you are... [reddwarf holograms]I think I think therefore I might be?[/reddwarf holograms]
But that's why Willy Wonker needed a child in the original movie to imprint on. Someone who would follow his will and agenda without expressing their own ideology whatsoever.
So really, the only way to claim that this is immortality is to accept that no one is real. That your are only who you think you are... [reddwarf holograms]I think I think therefore I might be?[/reddwarf holograms]
I don't trust Ballard at all. He feels like just as big a psycho as Alpha (complete with Echo obsession and all), only he's nominally on the "right" side.
And while I agree that the Dollhouse is, at best, morally ambiguous I wouldn't call it slavery. You could even argue signing a contract to give up your life for x number of years with a risk of losing it isn't that different from joining the military (you just don't remember it when it's over in this case).
Um...it isn't.....yet.
I'm sorry but this statement is just absurd... It is damning to say that something doesn't exist when there is no proof that is exists at all?
Talk about dogma.Perhaps that's not what you meant, but an odd thing to say nonetheless.
The concept of a soul has no scientific basis... It arrived out of humanity's need to feel that there is "something more". A hope that something of ourselves survives after our death. Many organized religions have of course taken this concept and strengthened it to use as a threat - "do this our your immortal soul will be damned".
But not all think that way. Not even all Christians. I, for example, am a Christian that does not not believe in a soul concept that is separate from our body. My consciousness pattern in my brain is my "soul". That is all there is, while we are living in this world.
But I am getting sidetracked - sorry...
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