That was Braga's original conception.
Poor Jeri Ryan
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That was Braga's original conception.
Braga just wanted something to bring conflict and therefore drama to the show.
The Borg character came first, then came the figuring out who would stay and who would go.
But however it happened, Jeri had nothing to do with it. So anything aimed at her is IMO ridiculous.
In an old Star Trek Magazine Borg edition, Braga said that as he was working on Scorpion II the idea came to him to bring on a Borg character to help re-energize Voyager. Berman along with the studio liked the idea given the Borg's popularity but they told him that instead of a male that they should cast a woman. Part of the reasoning was that they knew if they got rid of Kes they wanted to not replace her with a male upsetting the male-to-female ratio.
Braga also revealed that he fought the studio and Berman to not de-Borg her so quickly. He wanted her to maintain her pale Borg appearance and her Borg costume. They dismissed the idea arguing that they shouldn't hide Jeri's beauty under all that make-up and clunky Borg armor. Hence the quick idea of her rejecting her BOrg technology once she was severed from the Collective.
So far all the shit Braga gets from fans he, more often than not, had good ideas and tried his best to see that they were implemented. But like Piller before him he realized what he was up against with Berman and UPN.
Jaespol
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Garret Wang is really our best source here and he says..
So, she turned her anger towards Jeri Ryan. Which to this day, if you ever meet Jeri Ryan on the street, don't talk Trek with her. Because she is not happy with Trek. Her experience of Trek were basically of shooting herself from the barbs and arrows that came from Janeway ... eh, from, you know, Kate Mulgrew
Just because Mulgrew said they didn't gel doesn't mean she never threw snide comments out there. Geez you really think she's gonna get up in front of a crowd and say she was sometimes nasty to Ryan? I don't think so.
I'd like to know what planet some of you skeptics are living on.
So, she turned her anger towards Jeri Ryan. Which to this day, if you ever meet Jeri Ryan on the street, don't talk Trek with her. Because she is not happy with Trek. Her experience of Trek were basically of shooting herself from the barbs and arrows that came from Janeway ... eh, from, you know, Kate Mulgrew
Just because Mulgrew said they didn't gel doesn't mean she never threw snide comments out there. Geez you really think she's gonna get up in front of a crowd and say she was sometimes nasty to Ryan? I don't think so.
I'd like to know what planet some of you skeptics are living on.
O, maybe if the borg had been a boy, that bionical lad might have been a real romantic interest for Janeway? Mulgrew has always said that a Captain, her Captain should be chaste... but this is the outside the chain of command loophole which they claim is almost acceptable.
Jeri box-blocked her.
(I watched Sexdrive last night and they called it "twot blocking", which I thought sounded clumsy but I managed to fumble out the term "vage vading" for the usual reasons, just hours before I saw (The Movie) Sexdrive coincidental like, but its basically just one woman standing on another, as usual, to assume pole position, which is a speed racing term and hardly as icky as I am glad it sounds.)
Jeri box-blocked her.
(I watched Sexdrive last night and they called it "twot blocking", which I thought sounded clumsy but I managed to fumble out the term "vage vading" for the usual reasons, just hours before I saw (The Movie) Sexdrive coincidental like, but its basically just one woman standing on another, as usual, to assume pole position, which is a speed racing term and hardly as icky as I am glad it sounds.)
I don't think anyone could disagree that Mulgrew had reason to be annoyed by Seven's insertion.
Still, being annoyed by a creative decision on the part of writers and producers and carrying your displeasure over to an entirely innocent target are two separate things.
If it 'wasn't personal', she should have kept her emotions in check and mouth shut and let Jeri do her job and enjoy her time on set without engaging in playground bullying...because that's exactly what it sounds like.
And as been stated, if she doesn't want to seem like the bad guy, she needs to shut her mouth now and not feed the trolls. Jeri doesn't.
I admire Mulgrew's acting, but personality wise...I think she has a great deal in common with her character. And not all the good traits.
I scratch my head at these interviews she gives. If the issue was her self-image, how exactly does deriding Jeri make her feel better about herself? I don't know about everyone else, but my conscience doesn't work like that.
Still, being annoyed by a creative decision on the part of writers and producers and carrying your displeasure over to an entirely innocent target are two separate things.
If it 'wasn't personal', she should have kept her emotions in check and mouth shut and let Jeri do her job and enjoy her time on set without engaging in playground bullying...because that's exactly what it sounds like.
And as been stated, if she doesn't want to seem like the bad guy, she needs to shut her mouth now and not feed the trolls. Jeri doesn't.
I admire Mulgrew's acting, but personality wise...I think she has a great deal in common with her character. And not all the good traits.
I scratch my head at these interviews she gives. If the issue was her self-image, how exactly does deriding Jeri make her feel better about herself? I don't know about everyone else, but my conscience doesn't work like that.
Jaespol, how do you know that Garret Wang is "our best source"? He might be great - he might be awful - I have no idea how reliable he is. I don't intend that to be a euphemism for "I know for sure he is awful," BTW. I mean exactly what I say, which is that I. don't. know. Since when is not being sure one way or another about the reliability of someone I don't know - that nobody I know knows - at a sign of living on some other planet?
Has he been saying this all along or just recently? That would be significant, I think. If he's said this all along, that would be a pretty good indicator of his sincerity, at least.
Maybe I'm just reading the wrong interviews, but I don't see her as deriding Ryan at all - she seems to attribute all the evil to the writers, whether fairly or not (and if Teya is correct, the answer is "not").
And I don't really see Kate Mulgrew as having self image problems either. I could way more easily see her as a diva who thinks she didn't get her due rather than some needy little person saying "Pay attention to meeeeeee!" I'm not saying that being a diva is nicer
, I'm just saying it seems more in character to me. But, WDIK? I'm just guessing. I mean, I don't know her, either, after all.
Has he been saying this all along or just recently? That would be significant, I think. If he's said this all along, that would be a pretty good indicator of his sincerity, at least.
KiraDax said:
Maybe I'm just reading the wrong interviews, but I don't see her as deriding Ryan at all - she seems to attribute all the evil to the writers, whether fairly or not (and if Teya is correct, the answer is "not").
And I don't really see Kate Mulgrew as having self image problems either. I could way more easily see her as a diva who thinks she didn't get her due rather than some needy little person saying "Pay attention to meeeeeee!" I'm not saying that being a diva is nicer
, I'm just saying it seems more in character to me. But, WDIK? I'm just guessing. I mean, I don't know her, either, after all.
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Well, I always find myself taking it as her delicately substituting 'writers' and 'Seven of Nine' for 'Jeri' regardless of how hard I try to filter her comments in a non-negative light, but...could just be me.
Me too, but I *try* to give her the benefit of the doubt. Since she seems to go on about how insecure working alongside a blonde bombshell made her feel...using her words, whether that's the true root of the issue or not.
^ It's hard to be a non-young female actor in movies or TV. I expect that's a lot of the problem right there. Why anybody would want to do it for a living is a mystery to me.
Edit: And personally, I'd way rather be a diva than a needy little person saying "pay attention to meeeeeee!" But...that could be just me.
Edit: And personally, I'd way rather be a diva than a needy little person saying "pay attention to meeeeeee!" But...that could be just me.
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Jaespol
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He worked on the frikkin show. If you can't put all the pieces together then there's little hope left for you in this world I'm afraid
That doesn't mean he can't be exaggerating or lying or misinterpreting or joking or whatever. Just because he worked on the show doesn't mean he's reliable. The point is, we can all believe what we want. But in reality, we just don't know.He worked on the frikkin show. If you can't put all the pieces together then there's little hope left for you in this world I'm afraid
And honestly, I don't quite get why you seem to think that anything JustKate said in this thread gave you the permission to get personal and rude towards her.
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