Altered Timeline: Which events will still happen?

[Procutus]

I got to thinking about this today at work. We know that the Trek timeline as we know it will get altered, although to what degree remains to be seen. Based on what little we do know, it seems to me that the various events from TOS that were socio-political in nature may deviate from the point where Nero interfers, but what the events that have nothing to do with the Federation, its allies and enemies?

Three major events come to mind right off, that I think have a high likelihood of still occuring in this new timeline:

1. The Doomsday Machine still wanders into the Alpha Quadrant, crunching up and digesting planets as it goes.

2. VGER still returns to this neck of the galactic woods, looking for its creator.

3. The Whale-Probe still comes in search of why there are no longer any large, aquatic mammals on our world.

I'm sure there's probably other TOS events that are likely to still happen in much the same manner as they did in the original universe, but a vast number of key events might now never happen. For example, there's no guarentee that this new Enterprise will encounter the Botany Bay and unleash Khan and his people. That event alone not happening would have an impact on much later events, IMO.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

The events from the previous series that could appear in future productions are those the writers chose to use. They'd be foolish to use any. If all this project evolves into is a remaking of the series, it's pointless. "The Doomsday Machine", "Space Seed", and the rest have already been made well enough, thank you. They've rebooted the concepts, the new team should go in a totally new direction or quit now.

 

[ManOnTheWave]

If this film is going the alternate reality route, things like the doomsday machine will likely appear and be dealt with in the ensuing novel series we can all bet is coming.

 

[Supervisor 194]

I'd imagine the idea is that most of TOS (and the rest of the series & movies) still 'happen' for the most part: overtly declaring that most of your catalogue of DVD and other products are no longer applicable doesn't make good business sense.

 

[Captain Pike]

The events from the previous series that could appear in future productions are those the writers chose to use. They'd be foolish to use any. If all this project evolves into is a remaking of the series, it's pointless. "The Doomsday Machine", "Space Seed", and the rest have already been made well enough, thank you. They've rebooted the concepts, the new team should go in a totally new direction or quit now.

Those events could still happen without it necessarily being a scene for scene, word for word, 1:1 retelling of TOS. They may happen wholly or partially offscreen, or be observed from different points of view.

 

[shapeshifter]

No events in the Original timeline are erased. The producers have made it perfectly clear, we have to watch all the original timeline up to the point this film starts.

Then we switch tracks to a new timeline in which things do play out differently but not at the cost of overwriting what came before.

Think of the timeline as a single railroad track, it splits into two at this film. The original keeps going where it was going all along but the new one loops back to the start of the line.

Two separate tracks now exist. One 47 years along in it's travels, the other (new one) at the beginning of its travels.

 

[gastrof]

No events in the Original timeline are erased. The producers have made it perfectly clear, we have to watch all the original timeline up to the point this film starts.

Then we switch tracks to a new timeline in which things do play out differently but not at the cost of overwriting what came before.

Think of the timeline as a single railroad track, it splits into two at this film. The original keeps going where it was going all along but the new one loops back to the start of the line.

Two separate tracks now exist. One 47 years along in it's travels, the other (new one) at the beginning of its travels.

The new timeline, being the past of the original, does indeed overwrite the original and replaces it. This is why it's the movie's past that older Spock comes back to. Because it IS his very past, but Nero's begun altering it.

Spock's effort is to get it as much back on track as possible.

The most horrible result of these temporal changes, however, has already been suggested by the OP's avatar, namely that Chloe Sullivan doesn't die horribly, and ends up a part of Clark Kent's adult life.



How Nero causes this occurence in an entirely different universe has yet to be explained. I suspect it's a joint effort on the parts of Brainiac and the Romulan separatists.

 

[Procutus]

The most horrible result of these temporal changes, however, has already been suggested by the OP's avatar, namely that Chloe Sullivan doesn't die horribly, and ends up a part of Clark Kent's adult life.

How Nero causes this occurence in an entirely different universe has yet to be explained. I suspect it's a joint effort on the parts of Brainiac and the Romulan separatists.

Good one! The point I was trying to make in my original post, and perhaps didn't convey, is not what will Team Abrams chose from TOS to remake, but rather, what established Trek events are still likely to happen in this new reality. This is just totally speculation; I would be incredibly surprised if J.J. & Co. actually did take something like 'The Doomsday Machine' and work it into one of the subsequent films.

 

[gastrof]

The most horrible result of these temporal changes, however, has already been suggested by the OP's avatar, namely that Chloe Sullivan doesn't die horribly, and ends up a part of Clark Kent's adult life.

How Nero causes this occurence in an entirely different universe has yet to be explained. I suspect it's a joint effort on the parts of Brainiac and the Romulan separatists.

Good one! The point I was trying to make in my original post, and perhaps didn't convey, is not what will Team Abrams chose from TOS to remake, but rather, what established Trek events are still likely to happen in this new reality. This is just totally speculation; I would be incredibly surprised if J.J. & Co. actually did take something like 'The Doomsday Machine' and work it into one of the subsequent films.

I agree with you that SOMETHING has to change, for some very simple reasons. Right from the start, the incident with Gary, Liz Dehner, and the galactic barrier ends up not happening. (At least, not when it's "suppose to". Maybe they end up on board later and the mission takes place then, with McCoy as the ship's doctor this time?)

Did "The Cage" end up happening? If not, then there goes "The Menagerie".

Some things will HAVE TO be different this time around, and I'd like to see this addressed, with at least one of the sequels doing a remake of one of the episodes. It'd have to be in some way different, maybe even with a different outcome, tho', or the people who want everything to be brand new will scream as loud as some of us did when we found out the timeline (and the Enterprise) got changed.

 

[Soar_Dude]

TNG will end in the episode "Naked Now" as their will be no "Naked Time" episode in this timeline Something to chew on

Soar Dude

 

[Gary7]

"There is no sanctuary."

 

[Procutus]

TNG will end in the episode "Naked Now" as their will be no "Naked Time" episode in this timeline Something to chew on

Soar Dude

That's the thing, isn't it? That's what I found myself wondering today, how far-reaching are the effects from Nero's interference once he's in the past.

This is assuming that it's really his and Old Spock's past he returns to, and not the past of an entirely different universe, that already has some significant differences to it.

 

[miraclefan]

I think it's an entirely NU-Universe.

 

[Procutus]

I think it's an entirely NU-Universe.

Are you saying that you agree with my theory that Nero and Spock may in fact, travel to the past of a different universe? Or that Nero's actions simply create a new one?

 

[perigee]

In the changed timeline, Zephram Cochrane doesn't date a gasbag partydoll - he becomes a Welsh farmer with a talking pig. Or is that vice-versa, at this point? Finnegan, as pointed out in a closed thread earlier today, is not in attendance - his back is broken; he's broken his back. Obviously, somebody killed the Starfleet costume designer that liked the horsecollar tunics, and replaced him with the guy who invented the Superman suit.

Uhura will dance naked with a palm frond. Hopefully, sooner, rather than later.

From now on, McCoy will never use the transporter again, opting not to have his atoms scattered - instead, he'll parachute down on his away missions. On the way back up, he'll take a ski lift.

The Salt Vampire will be way hotter.

 

[Procutus]

Uhura will dance naked with a palm frond. Hopefully, sooner, rather than later.

I'm all for that!

 

[miraclefan]

I think it's an entirely NU-Universe.

Are you saying that you agree with my theory that Nero and Spock may in fact, travel to the past of a different universe? Or that Nero's actions simply create a new one?

YES! All kidding aside, I think I agree with you that Nero & Spock end up going in to a Totally differant universe. I belive ''minor'' events, like relationships certain people had won't happen, but ''major'' event's like, Praxis, Doomsday Machine, War between the FED'S & Klingons will happen!

 

[CorporalClegg]

Kirk will still face male pattern baldness and be force to wear a toupee.

 

[miraclefan]

Kirk will still face male pattern baldness and be force to wear a toupee.

I think in MY book that would be a ''minor'' event, so that won't happen in this ''timeline''.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Kirk will still face male pattern baldness and be force to wear a toupee.

I think in MY book that would be a ''minor'' event, so that won't happen in this ''timeline''.

Are you kidding.

Without the baldness and the toupee, it's not the Kirk we know and love.
If you change the character, you are killing Star Trek.
Why do you hate Star Trek ?