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Poll: Bring Janeway back?

Should Janeway be brought back?


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hmm, doesn't relate to "Project Full Circle?" from Homecoming does it?

something about looking at al' Voyager's advanced/alien tech IIRC
 
But why not try to get the old gang together for possible adventures in the Delta Quadrant instead of sending the bogus crew there?

Because they spent the seven seasons of the show trying to escape from the Delta Quadrant to their homes in the Federation?

In assuming that the crew of Voyager would want to leave the Federation to go to the quadrant that they escaped from--the entire crew of Voyager, mind--you're not treating Voyager's characters like real human beings. Of course they're going to want to do things--work on other ships, say, or at Starfleet Command, or something else--that they couldn't do during their exile.

(There's also the non-trivial question of how they'd get there given the state of Starfleet propulsion technology, but never mind.)

How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.

Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?
 
But why not try to get the old gang together for possible adventures in the Delta Quadrant instead of sending the bogus crew there?

Because they spent the seven seasons of the show trying to escape from the Delta Quadrant to their homes in the Federation?

In assuming that the crew of Voyager would want to leave the Federation to go to the quadrant that they escaped from--the entire crew of Voyager, mind--you're not treating Voyager's characters like real human beings. Of course they're going to want to do things--work on other ships, say, or at Starfleet Command, or something else--that they couldn't do during their exile.

(There's also the non-trivial question of how they'd get there given the state of Starfleet propulsion technology, but never mind.)

How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.

Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?
you keep calling it a bogus crew when all we know for certain is that there are only two main original character not going back to the DQ. the rest is all uninformed (re: ignorant) speculation.
 
How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.

And yet they spent seven years trying to get away from there, why would they want to go back?

I haven't heard of too many prisoners trying desperately to break back into the prison they escaped from.

Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?

Wait, they're not really Starfleet officers, just pretending? cool that'll make interesting reading =]

Hang on, they already did that, it's Live Fast and Prosper. I feel cheated...
 
Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?

I presume then that Enterprise captains Pike, Kirk, Spock, Harriman, Sulu, Garrett, and Picard are bogus since they aren't Robert April.

BTW, regarding this thread's original topic: "No Way" is winning 55% to 45%.
 
How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.
And yet they spent seven years trying to get away from there, why would they want to go back?

I haven't heard of too many prisoners trying desperately to break back into the prison they escaped from.

Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?
Wait, they're not really Starfleet officers, just pretending? cool that'll make interesting reading =]

Hang on, they already did that, it's Live Fast and Prosper. I feel cheated...

The majority of the crew are revealed to be terminator robots in the last two chapters the remaining Voyager crew members are rounded up and shot in the mess hall. Kim dies while shouting "spatial anomaly off the starbARGGGGGGGGG", while Seven manages to escape by flashing her rack at one of the terminators overloading his processor in the process.

Chakotay is also spared because he registers as "wooden" on the terminator's senses and they mistake him for a rather elaborate table. Janeway appears via a timeportal wearing a leather jacket and sunglasses and says "come with me if you want to live" then the vorlans turn up and the book finishes on a cliffhanger.
 
Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?

I presume then that Enterprise captains Pike, Kirk, Spock, Harriman, Sulu, Garrett, and Picard are bogus since they aren't Robert April.

BTW, regarding this thread's original topic: "No Way" is winning 55% to 45%.

That comment was downright ridiculous.
 
How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.
And yet they spent seven years trying to get away from there, why would they want to go back?

I haven't heard of too many prisoners trying desperately to break back into the prison they escaped from.
precisely b/c they are in SF they are told what their assignments are and not given a choice. remember, that SF is also a military force. unless an order is in direct violation of the AotF, then they must obey them. if you are sending a fleet into an unfamiliar territory then you'll want people who have the most knowledge of it. in this case, it would be any of the SF personnel who served aboard voyager.
 
Because they spent the seven seasons of the show trying to escape from the Delta Quadrant to their homes in the Federation?

In assuming that the crew of Voyager would want to leave the Federation to go to the quadrant that they escaped from--the entire crew of Voyager, mind--you're not treating Voyager's characters like real human beings. Of course they're going to want to do things--work on other ships, say, or at Starfleet Command, or something else--that they couldn't do during their exile.

(There's also the non-trivial question of how they'd get there given the state of Starfleet propulsion technology, but never mind.)

How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.

Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?
you keep calling it a bogus crew when all we know for certain is that there are only two main original character not going back to the DQ. the rest is all uninformed (re: ignorant) speculation.

There are definitely four main characters missing and there seem to be some uncertainity about some of the others.
 
How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.

Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?
you keep calling it a bogus crew when all we know for certain is that there are only two main original character not going back to the DQ. the rest is all uninformed (re: ignorant) speculation.

There are definitely four main characters missing and there seem to be some uncertainity about some of the others.


And which four is this? Janeway is dead, Tuvok is on Titan and...
 
How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.
And yet they spent seven years trying to get away from there, why would they want to go back?

I haven't heard of too many prisoners trying desperately to break back into the prison they escaped from.
precisely b/c they are in SF they are told what their assignments are and not given a choice. remember, that SF is also a military force. unless an order is in direct violation of the AotF, then they must obey them. if you are sending a fleet into an unfamiliar territory then you'll want people who have the most knowledge of it. in this case, it would be any of the SF personnel who served aboard voyager.

that's reasonable, I hadn't considered that, thanks :)

And which four is this? Janeway is dead, Tuvok is on Titan and...
neelix and kes, but we don't know where they are, which means for all we know they could be back on Voyager...

The majority of the crew are revealed to be terminator robots in the last two chapters the remaining Voyager crew members are rounded up and shot in the mess hall. Kim dies while shouting "spatial anomaly off the starbARGGGGGGGGG", while Seven manages to escape by flashing her rack at one of the terminators overloading his processor in the process.

Chakotay is also spared because he registers as "wooden" on the terminator's senses and they mistake him for a rather elaborate table. Janeway appears via a timeportal wearing a leather jacket and sunglasses and says "come with me if you want to live" then the vorlans turn up and the book finishes on a cliffhanger.

ah right, well makes more sense than Threshold...
 
you keep calling it a bogus crew when all we know for certain is that there are only two main original character not going back to the DQ. the rest is all uninformed (re: ignorant) speculation.

There are definitely four main characters missing and there seem to be some uncertainity about some of the others.


And which four is this? Janeway is dead, Tuvok is on Titan and...

Kes and Neelix are missing too.
 
There are definitely four main characters missing and there seem to be some uncertainity about some of the others.


And which four is this? Janeway is dead, Tuvok is on Titan and...

Kes and Neelix are missing too.

How do you know? They're going back to the Delta Quadrant!


Do you understand how it makes you a hysterical reactionary to complain about things that aren't necessarily true?
 
Kirsten Beyer has repeatedly posted that after Full Circle, the ratio is still vastly in favor of the regular characters, and I quote, "not even 50/50".

AND SHE WROTE THE DAMN THING.
 
And which four is this? Janeway is dead, Tuvok is on Titan and...

Kes and Neelix are missing too.

How do you know? They're going back to the Delta Quadrant!


Do you understand how it makes you a hysterical reactionary to complain about things that aren't necessarily true?

They are missing right now.

And I really hope that none of them will show up in the books. I mean, if they could kill off Janeway...........
 
Wait.

You're complaining that not enough regulars are in it.

Then you're telling us you don't want more regulars in it?

You see how I'm calling you "illogical"?
 
Kes and Neelix are missing too.

How do you know? They're going back to the Delta Quadrant!


Do you understand how it makes you a hysterical reactionary to complain about things that aren't necessarily true?

They are missing right now.

And I really hope that none of them will show up in the books. I mean, if they could kill off Janeway...........

nah, kes can't die...well she can, we saw it in Fury, but I'm guessing that she would have learned from her mistakes...
 
I have to agree with the sentiment that it would make zero sense for ALL of Voyager's main characters to want to undertake a mission of exploration in the Delta Quadrant. Some, perhaps... but not all. There would be some who, now that they have finally made it home, would do everything in their power to stay there.
How do you know that, they might enjoy to go back to the Delta Quadrant.

Besides that, why come up with a story where a bogus Voyager crew is sent to the Delta Quadrant?
This is only the most recent of many times you have made a reference to the lack of "true" Voyager characters somehow meaning that future books about Voyager are invalid or worthless. As I just reiterated in my post, for every member of the main cast from the TV series to want to return to the DQ would be completely ridiculous. If the ship/book line is to return to the DQ, SOME of the crew must be left behind.

More significant than that, though, is that you keep saying how Voyager books with "most of the main characters gone or dead" would be worthless, yet you haven't even read Full Circle, and those in the know have mentioned repeatedly that the book features the majoirity of Voyager's main characters! Beyond that, you don't know exactly what the plans are for future Voyager books regarding anyone except Janeway. The argument that these books are not worth anything due to the lack of Voyager characters is not only illogical when you refuse to even give the books a chance, but it's also not true since Full Circle doesn't have HAVE this supposed lack of Voyager main characters.
precisely b/c they are in SF they are told what their assignments are and not given a choice. remember, that SF is also a military force. unless an order is in direct violation of the AotF, then they must obey them. if you are sending a fleet into an unfamiliar territory then you'll want people who have the most knowledge of it. in this case, it would be any of the SF personnel who served aboard voyager.
Starfleet doesn't operate in the same way as a real military in this regard. They are WAY less rigid and more accomodating when it comes to personal needs of the crew. Consider Neela Darren requesting a transfer at the end of "Lessons" due to the complications that had arisen between her and Captain Picard, or Tom Riker requesting a transfer off the Enterprise at the end of "Second Chances", again because of personal reasons. There is also the line in "Lessons" from Picard that tells us that Starfleet has few regulations regarding romantic relationships among crew members. Wartime aside, they are just not as heavy-handed as real militaries tend to be. I would submit that if any member of Voyager's Starfleet crew were to be assigned to a mission to return to the DQ, and refused the assignment based on not wanting to go back there, Starfleet would honor the request and give them a different assignment.
 
Wait.

You're complaining that not enough regulars are in it.

Then you're telling us you don't want more regulars in it?

You see how I'm calling you "illogical"?

Normally, I would have liked to see as many regulars as possible in the books. A couple of years ago I would have looked forward to this development with some hope and anticipation.

But with the current direction of the books......no.

If they could kill off Janeway, who happens to be the main character of Voyager, then I won't imagine what can happen to two characters who have already been dumped from the TV series. They would be perfect victims the next time someone is killed off to make a "creative story".

Not to mention the risk for further "Fury"-based crap.

This latest development is already giving me nightmares.
 
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