Poll: Bring Janeway back?
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i forgot about tuvok being on titan, but it's also been divulged that chakotay will not be going back to the DQ b/c he is deemed unfit for command. therefore, a new female captain will be taking his place for the mission.
More to the point, why would Starfleet send out the same crew as before? The crew of Voyager as seen in the seven seasons of TV was an ad hoc group of people, combining the lucky random survivors of Starfleet and the Maquis. If Starfleet is sending missions to the Delta Quadrant, it'll send a crew more suited to the mission, with crewpeople possessing skills tailored to the mission.
if nothing else they should send a psychiatrist this time...
But it won't have the chemistry of the old team, that special chemistry and everything that made us like and admire them, watch those episodes and buy the books which were published then. It would be like having Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney perform on stage with two rather unknown geezers and call that new band The Beatles. OK, those two replacements could be great musicians but it would never be the same as the old one with John Lennon and George Harrison.
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Because further destruction or the possible death of a certain character in some upcoming book would be thrown in my face every time I would try to write anything on any forum. I've stated for many years that I've regarded the books as canon (which I have) and pointed out the "String Theory" books as good examples when it comes to correcting certain errors in a horrible TV episode. There's a risk that I would get all that back.
It's possible, but there's no necessary reason for them to want to. If anything, there's every reason to imagine that some would like to stay behind, thanks to family, professional, sentimental, and other ties. Why might Janeway not have liked being an Admiral on Earth? Why might Tuvok not have served as a secret agent on Romulus before becoming Titan's tactical officer and living there with his wife? Why might Seven of Nine not wanted to stay on Earth, at Starfleet Academy and with her aunt?
Assuming that they're all ging to want to return to a quadrant of the galaxy that they spent seven years escaping, frequently at very great risk, just isn't plausible.
Besides, there are going to be plenty of very skilled and talented people who'll want to get on Voyager, and who'll be given roles there. Similarly, many of the crew who served with distinction on this ship are going to be valuable assets in a fleet that likes experience.
Face it. So long as Voyager is in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant region there are going to be crew changes.
Not necessarily. Would Lieutenant Joe from Engineering, who had little contact with the realities of the Delta Quadrant besides maintaining the warp drive, necessarily be good? People who join the crew thanks to specific skills that would be useful in the Delta Quadrant--especially people with skills lacking on the ship--would easily have an edge over crewpeople without particularly stellar records.
Also, while some people might be useful on the Delta Quadrant, they might be even more useful elsewhere. I can imagine that Janeway's experience made her a valuable member of the Admiralty, for instance.
Well, when you're out of other options..........
You've utterly failed to present any evidence suggesting that Janeway must be brought back and all novelistic adventures of Voyager must include the exact cast as before as the novel franchise go under.
People have pointed out that it is reasonable to expect that Voyager and its crew would change greatly on arriving, that in fact it would be unreasonable for things to remain exactly the same.
Consider: Pocket Books went ahead with Janeway's death. Is it possible, just possible, that they judged based on whatever method they used that it wouldn't harm the franchise, that it mkight in fact attract new people?
Also, you might be criticizng the novels profoundly and demanding that they change, but you're also someone who has said that you're never consume them again. That makes you irrelevant as a protester, especially since Pocket Books saw fit to go ahead with this plot and this Voyager that you so dislike and people seem to be eating it up.
Close but no cigar.... One character's em.. destiny is slightly different...
I love T'Ryssa Chen and Miranda Kadohata. I think they're both great characters, with interesting backgrounds, who are bringing a fresh perspective to the crew of the Enterprise-E. Hell, the fact that Picard is not working with his "classic team" is, in fact, brought up in both Before Dishonor and Greater Than The Sum as a plot point. He worked with the TNG team for so long, that he's finding it difficult to come to grips with the fact that with new officers occupying old positions, he himself has to make more adjustments than he realized at first.
What's my point? The crew in the TNG relaunch books has quite a different look to it than the crew from the series and movies. Yet this has not, in any way, had a negative impact on the quality of the stories, or my interest in them, and has in fact opened up new story possibilities. I had a blast with both of the books I mentioned above. (Everything I just said could be applied to the DS9 relaunch, as well, come to think of it).
Of course, not everyone agrees. Some don't like those characters, or those books, or the fact that the main crew is so different from the TV show. Some may have abandoned Trek the moment Data died in Nemesis. My ultimate point is to reinforce the fact that this is ALL subjective. If you don't like the current trends of the books, fine; if you don't want to read Voyager stories that don't feature the full Voyaher TV cast, you don't have to. But you cannot argue that the decisions to have Janeway die, and to tell new Voyager stories where several members of the crew are no longer present, are somehow mistakes that need to be corrected, or that they are objectively bad creative decisions.
Putting aside the rather bizarre notion of basing your reading choices on worry about future message board discussions... What makes you think other TV mains will die? One character gets killed off, and you abandon the franchise for fear that others will follow? Isn't that a little paranoid? And would you really want to read books (or watch TV shows, or movies, or play story-heavy video games) where you KNOW, for a FACT, ahead of time, that everybody lives?
That Earth is still around with a hub on their doorstep means either (A) that the Federation developed effective Borg anti-measures (or found and collapsed the conduit on their side); or, far more likely, (B) the Borg just don't give a damn about the Federation because it poses no threat that the Borg can quantify.
But that the Borg didn't attack Earth (or if they did, were succesfully repelled) refers to a single planet in a single civilization. The galaxy is a large place, and the Collective, by its nature, is in continous expansion. The destruction of the hub put a serious monkeywrench into their expansionary efforts. The entire senior staff felt that the lives saved by their action was worth the risk.
She erased twenty-two years for the sake of a handful of individuals. With that kind of moral vacuum, I wouldn't trust Admiral Janeway with an ant farm.
The Borg and Russia (or any human nation) are not equivalent, because they have fundamentally different mindsets. The Borg do not experience revenge; they attack for three reasons: to acquire new technologies and knowledge, to expand their territory and acquire more drones, or to eliminate a threat that has proven resistent to their usual methodology (like Species 8472, although note the breach into Fluidic Space was initially performed out of the first desire, the acquisition of new information).
Except that those years yielded only four half-novels of stupendously poor quality; hardly satisfying. Not to mention that you have to actually establish a situation before changing it can have any real meaning.
I know this is in reply to me, but I haven't the faintest idea what you just said.
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em? what do you mean? there's a different character that you're referring to?
That what you think is happening and why certain things happen is slightly (but importantly) different from your description.. I don't know.. maybe you could try.. reading
the book ?first, i actually read full page excerpts of FC at B&N.com and there was a mention of what i said in it in my spoiler. second, that's what i plan on doing when it comes....out in my area! so, if you're basing your knowledge on destiny then i think you're a little off. but, if you've actually read all of FC, then i may be mistaken. third, there's no reason for you to be so effing arrogant. i simply didn't quite understand your shorthand for the "em" word in your reply earlier.
That what you think is happening and why certain things happen is slightly (but importantly) different from your description.. I don't know.. maybe you could try.. reading
oh and btw, i was also referencing one of your posts from the voyager forum.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2745667&postcount=2
This is a common complaint that I don't really understand. Janeway died saving the Alpha/Beta Quadrants (at least for a little bit) from a Borg threat. What exactly felt cheap about it? Is it just because she didn't die in a Voyager book? What would have been a good send off? She died and took a bunch of her greastest enemies with her...that's not all that shabby.
She didn't die in a Voyager book. And she was initially assimilated because she underestimated the Borg and basically disregarded all of the warnings from Seven. My memories of what she did after being assimilated are admittably vague, but up until that point she put in an extremely poor showing against a nemesis that up until this point she had a pretty good track record of going against.
I'm perfectly fine with her dying going up against the Borg, I just believe that it was poorly written.
^I agree. It just feels like her death amounted to nothing in the end. What did she die for? I think there was a heck of a lot of potential with Janeway's character to give us a better first hand look at the Starfleet admiralty from a more enjoyable perspective rather than always dealing with those goons Jelico and Necheyev. They have to be two of the most overused minor characters from the television shows for the simple reason that there aren't a whole lot of other interesting characters (it doesn't seem Shelby is mentioned much outside of New Frontier and Akaar hasn't appeared much to my knowledge aside from Titan (and Articles of the Federation IIRC).
Well, when you're out of other options..........
You've utterly failed to present any evidence suggesting that Janeway must be brought back and all novelistic adventures of Voyager must include the exact cast as before as the novel franchise go under.
People have pointed out that it is reasonable to expect that Voyager and its crew would change greatly on arriving, that in fact it would be unreasonable for things to remain exactly the same.
Consider: Pocket Books went ahead with Janeway's death. Is it possible, just possible, that they judged based on whatever method they used that it wouldn't harm the franchise, that it mkight in fact attract new people?
Also, you might be criticizng the novels profoundly and demanding that they change, but you're also someone who has said that you're never consume them again. That makes you irrelevant as a protester, especially since Pocket Books saw fit to go ahead with this plot and this Voyager that you so dislike and people seem to be eating it up.
Of course Janeway should be brought back! She's the main character of Voyager. In fact, they shouldn't have killed her off in the first place.
OK, they wanted to attract new people. But will those new readers be as loyal as the old Voyager fans, those who took a liking to the TV series and have continued to follow the adventures of their favorites in the books? Pocket Books might up in the same situation as the rock band who changed style in order to attract new fans. They lost their old, longtime loyal fans and the new fans they managed to attract did abandon them after a while, looking for new, trendy things.
As for me, I could have been a potential buyer of the relaunch books. After all, there was a time when I did buy every Voyager book which was released. If they hadn't killed off Janeway and stated that her death was permanent, I would probably have bought at least some of the books, despite being dissatisfied with the split-up original crew.
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