Nero's Defeat & How The Film Begins (SPOILERS)

[All Seeing Eye]

No the first pic is showing about 1 third of what the second pic is showing. If you can't see that you need to have your eyes checked. The ship is leaving the vortex. Everyone can see that except you.

Again, we'll see in 2 months.

Because there's a big sun in the background and the only other shots of that we've seen are during fights with the Kelvin. How do you think the Narada goes back in time and approaches the Kelvin by the way?

Slingshots around a star. probably tries slingshotting again at the end of the movie (because he is defeated and wants to go back further in time) which is when the Enterprise crew causes the creation of a blackhole and the ship is sucked in.

 

[ST-One]

The first pic is very dark and the light from the sun in the second pic illuminates more of the 'tentacles' which makes it appear to get bigger.

A time travelling ship that exits time vortices gets sucked into a black hole in the first scene of the film

Why are you so adamant those pics are scenes from the beginning of the film and not the end? you're assuming too much.

'Troll, troll, troll your post
gently down the thread...'

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The first pic is very dark and the light from the sun in the second pic illuminates more of the 'tentacles' which makes it appear to get bigger.

A time travelling ship that exits time vortices gets sucked into a black hole in the first scene of the film

Why are you so adamant those pics are scenes from the beginning of the film and not the end? you're assuming too much.

'Troll, troll, troll your post
gently down the thread...'

Please stay out of my thread. Thanks.

 

[Kpnuts]

No the first pic is showing about 1 third of what the second pic is showing. If you can't see that you need to have your eyes checked. The ship is leaving the vortex. Everyone can see that except you.

Again, we'll see in 2 months.

Because there's a big sun in the background and the only other shots of that we've seen are during fights with the Kelvin. How do you think the Narada goes back in time and approaches the Kelvin by the way?

Slingshots around a star. probably tries slingshotting again at the end of the movie (because he is defeated and wants to go back further in time) which is when the Enterprise crew causes the creation of a blackhole and the ship is sucked in.

Nope you can't be that stupid.

Troll on the wind up.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Nope you can't be that stupid.

Troll on the wind up.

Please stay out of my thread. Thanks.

 

[Delthan]

These pictures aren't concept art, their from the second trailer. Watch it again, and the viewer has the perspective of both sides of the portal - like staring headlong at a really thin wall, with one eye seeing one side of it, and the other eye seeing the other room, as an example. We can see it pass through intact because it is moving to a different location in space-time not getting spaghettified,,which is what would happen if it were entering a black hole.

And your analogy of a pole in dirt is also flawed - that is displacement.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Watch it again, and the viewer has the perspective of both sides of the portal - like staring headlong at a really thin wall, with one eye seeing one side of it, and the other eye seeing the other room, as an example. We can see it pass through intact because it is moving to a different location in space-time not getting spaghettified,,which is what would happen if it were entering a black hole.

I admit defeat.

 

[Delthan]

I admit defeat.

Hey, ultimately, you may be proven right in that the Narada is destroyed by its own black hole, I just don't think that's what is happening in the trailer.

In any case, as you say, we'll find out in 2 months... 2 long, gruelling months

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Hey, ultimately, you may be proven right in that the Narada is destroyed by its own black hole, I just don't think that's what is happening in the trailer.

Yes, I still stick by my theory it is destroyed by a blackhole.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

I have to admit more often in movies the bad guys end up being defeated when their own weapon is used against them or backfires. I'm hoping the writers can come up with something original for this movie. You may be right about how the movie ends but I hope your wrong :-P

 

[Magisterfrodo]

yeah, ok, and?

and that's what the film is about. Why else would we see the destruction of a planet? it makes sense that it's Vulcan of the 2380's and it gives a good enough reason why Spock time travels and Nero goes after him.

It makes more sense to me if that was Romulus being destroyed. It would explain Nero's rage and desire to change history and also explain Spock's concern, given his heavy involvement on Romulus.

I also don't think that that was a black hole at all. It's simply the time rift that Nero's ship is coming through.

 

[Kemaiku]

What we see in the trailers is clearly the Narada emerging from the temporal rift near the star the Kelvin is orbiting, more than likely when the attack occurs. What part of the film this all takes place is anyones guess.

But I think we see a scene with Kirk possibly aboard the Narada, the one with his Phaser drawn, given that theres no way for the Enterprise or by extension Starfleet to defeat the Narada with firepower only, sneaking aboard (using Spocks shuttle and beaming off at the last second? the ramming scene in trailer 3) and using one of the Narada's own Black Hole modules could be the only way to destroy her.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

yeah, ok, and?

and that's what the film is about. Why else would we see the destruction of a planet? it makes sense that it's Vulcan of the 2380's and it gives a good enough reason why Spock time travels and Nero goes after him.

It makes more sense to me if that was Romulus being destroyed. It would explain Nero's rage and desire to change history and also explain Spock's concern, given his heavy involvement on Romulus.

I know Romulus is destroyed but it's apparently by a neighbouring star going supernova but the planet we see is imploding into a blackhole. If Nero is pissed he'll probably go straight for Vulcan before time travelling and I think he destroys it in the 2380's. I think possibly Spock attempts timetravel to try and prevent Vulcans destruction but the blackhole causes his ship and the Nerada to jump back further than Spock was hoping for.

 

[Kemaiku]

yeah, ok, and?

and that's what the film is about. Why else would we see the destruction of a planet? it makes sense that it's Vulcan of the 2380's and it gives a good enough reason why Spock time travels and Nero goes after him.

It makes more sense to me if that was Romulus being destroyed. It would explain Nero's rage and desire to change history and also explain Spock's concern, given his heavy involvement on Romulus.

I also don't think that that was a black hole at all. It's simply the time rift that Nero's ship is coming through.

Romulus is already rubble at this point, Nero's trip to the past is to avenge the death of his world. And believe me Romulus' destruction is far more violent and blazing than the slow gravity induced destruction of Vulcan in the trailer.

Its been more or less confirmed that Nero is partly drilling into Vulcan to take the red matter that might stop the supernova in the past while its still just growing and to deliver the black hole for good measure, and I wouldn't be surprised if its the left over engine cores of old D'deridex class starships he's using.

 

[ManOnTheWave]

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Tachyon Shield Fails at LIFE (SPOILERS)

So you can't prove his ship doesn't get sucked into a blackhole and destroyed. Thought not.
2 months and counting till I say I told you so.

No dipshit, you won't believe us because you're a blind c*nt.

(emphasis mine)

Aww, jeez, Mariner. The subject-line baiting wasn't a great idea to begin with, but you had to know that this wouldn't fly here.

One for flaming. Comments to PM.

 

[M'Sharak]

Main Entry:dis·cus·sion Pronunciation: \di-ˈskə-shən\
Function:noun

1 : consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate

2 : a formal treatment of a topic in speech or writing

Looks like a discussion to me.

No, it looks like baiting to me.

Consideration of a question? Let's have a look.

Here's one question in the OP:

Nero's ship obviously gets sucked into a blackhole. I can't believe they showed it on a trailer. But I suppose it was obvious.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/Hephaestus/nero.png

And then, in the next post, a complete non-sequitur:

[spoiler "how the film STARTS:"]In the trailer we see a planet being destroyed, it is my theory that it is the destruction of Vulcan sometime in the 2380's and that's why Spock goes back in time, he goes back to try and stop Nero destroying Vulcan but ends up in the 23rd century and so does Nero after he goes after Spock. In the 23rd century however Nero goes after Earth and fires at San Francisco with his weapon.[/ spoiler]

Whaen this is pointed out, you reply with this:

yeah, ok, and?

and that's what the film is about. Why else would we see the destruction of a planet? it makes sense that it's Vulcan of the 2380's and it gives a good enough reason why Spock time travels and Nero goes after him.

which answers nothing.

And then:

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This thread is about Neros defeat AND the start of the film.

What point are you trying to make here? am I not allowed to express my different theories?

If you have a problem with me posting both my theories can you explain why please?

you admit yourself that this isn't a discussion of one question, but a place for you to express your "different" (and still apparently unrelated) "theories", which aren't theories at all, but rather a disjointed collection of assertions, thrown out willy-nilly, with little attempt given to explaining them either separately or together.

Oh, and here's a new one, of which you somehow managed not to have heard before...

This isn't in regard to this thread but i've just come across something called Star Trek: Countdown, supposedly it's a comic book prequel to the new movie, info HERE.

First i've heard of it.

...despite the fact that it's been the subject of much discussion in several forums over the last several months, and you just thought you'd throw that in here, too, did you? Beginning to look like Tachy's Random Grab Bag, at this point.

Other posters recognize this, so you begin to taunt, in a condescending manner:

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Angles my dear watson, ANGLES!

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So you're the resident Star Trek Reboot Black Hole CGI expert are you.

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What the hell are you talking about, [...]

I cannot believe honestly that you do not understand what the definitions of a hole is.

Do you not know the difference between video footage and concept art?
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...and taunt and taunt, making it pretty evident that you didn't come here to discuss any one question, but rather to wind everyone up with a load of scattershot nonsense and insults, as has been your habit before in other forums. That may work for you in TNZ, but it's worn out its welcome here.

Thread closed. Warning for trolling. Comments to PM.

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I admit defeat.

Stated sincerely and about three pages earlier, this might have meant something. Here, it's too late and just one more taunt. Take it to TNZ, or take it off the board altogether, but don't bring it here any more; we don't want any.