Nero's Defeat & How The Film Begins (SPOILERS)

[RAMA]

Star Trek has never been great with physics, but they have at least never (that I can recall) tried to pull off the old "black holes must be actual holes-in-space" trick, so I doubt they'd start now.

Black Holes ARE holes in space. Neros weapon drills to the centre of planets and creates black holes and the planet implodes into it. The trailer shows us that his weapon is made to back fire or set off early and his ship gets sucked into one.

and that's what the film is about. Why else would we see the destruction of a planet? it makes sense that it's Vulcan of the 2380's and it gives a good enough reason why Spock time travels and Nero goes after him.

that is wonderful, what does it have to do with the original post?

This thread is about Neros defeat AND the start of the film.

What point are you trying to make here? am I not allowed to express my different theories?

If you have a problem with me posting both my theories can you explain why please?

Its coming out of a temporal rift it created itself, as in Yesterday;s Enterprise or ST:First Contact

 

[All Seeing Eye]

This isn't in regard to this thread but i've just come across something called Star Trek: Countdown, supposedly it's a comic book prequel to the new movie, info HERE.

First i've heard of it.

 

[Admiral_Young]

It looked like it was coming out of a temporal rift...probably to launch it's attack on the USS Kelvin and then proceed to Vulcan. I'm interested to see how Spock follows Nero into the past in his attempt to fix it...I'm also curious to find out how soon after Countdown the movie starts.

 

[JuanBolio]

Someone hasn't been paying attention to the revealed plot segments AT ALL.

 

[section9]

That's not a fact, just an opinion like mine.

No it's fact, Nero's ship is coming out of the vortex. Probably after he just travelled through time.

Why is it a fact? the camera view of his ship and the 'blackhole or vortex' moves around the ship slightly making it difficult to say for sure if it's coming out or going in. My good eye say's it going in.

With all due respect, you're being silly. Anything being sucked into a black hole would look as if it were going down a drain. A singularity literally absorbs everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) into it. Narada is passing through a time-passage intact. It is not being crushed down before being sucked down the great toilet-drain of eternity.

 

[Kpnuts]

This isn't in regard to this thread but i've just come across something called Star Trek: Countdown, supposedly it's a comic book prequel to the new movie, info HERE.

First i've heard of it.

Seriously, where have you been these last few months?

First thinking it's a blackhole the ship is getting pushed into, and now this

 

[All Seeing Eye]

No it's fact, Nero's ship is coming out of the vortex. Probably after he just travelled through time.

Why is it a fact? the camera view of his ship and the 'blackhole or vortex' moves around the ship slightly making it difficult to say for sure if it's coming out or going in. My good eye say's it going in.

With all due respect, you're being silly. Anything being sucked into a black hole would look as if it were going down a drain. A singularity literally absorbs everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) into it. Narada is passing through a time-passage intact. It is not being crushed down before being sucked down the great toilet-drain of eternity.

It's only a small blackhole, as soon as the ship is consumed it will evaporate due to its tiny size..

 

[Gepard]

It's only a small blackhole, as soon as the ship is consumed it will evaporate due to its tiny size..

Whaaa? How...? That...

If the black hole were small, that would make things worse, because the event horizon would be smaller, and the whole ship would definitely have to be crushed to fit into it. The gravitational gradient for the hole would also be steeper, so it might not even be able to swallow the ship in one piece. It would just be seen tearing the ship apart much like the planet in the trailer.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Why is it a fact? the camera view of his ship and the 'blackhole or vortex' moves around the ship slightly making it difficult to say for sure if it's coming out or going in. My good eye say's it going in.

With all due respect, you're being silly. Anything being sucked into a black hole would look as if it were going down a drain. A singularity literally absorbs everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) into it. Narada is passing through a time-passage intact. It is not being crushed down before being sucked down the great toilet-drain of eternity.

It's only a small blackhole, as soon as the ship is consumed it will evaporate due to its tiny size..

No it won't size dosen't affect what a black hole does.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

It's only a small blackhole, as soon as the ship is consumed it will evaporate due to its tiny size..

Whaaa? How...? That...

If the black hole were small, that would make things worse, because the event horizon would be smaller, and the whole ship would definitely have to be crushed to fit into it. The gravitational gradient for the hole would also be steeper, so it might not even be able to swallow the ship in one piece. It would just be seen tearing the ship apart much like the planet in the trailer.

It is being crushed, we're viewing it from the back of the blackhole, we don't actually see the parts of the ship being ripped apart and pulled in.

Angles my dear watson, ANGLES!

 

[shapeshifter]

Nero's ship obviously gets sucked into a blackhole. I can't believe they showed it on a trailer. But I suppose it was obvious.

I think it is a rift, not a black hole and I think, unless the film is running backwards in the trailer, it is emerging from it.

Look at the sequence of the squid in this post of screencaps by SalvorHardin. http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=84674

I assume they were posted in the order they appear in the trailer, the squid clearly gets larger. Following are links to the IMGs in sequence.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9126/startrektlr3720p1479.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5488/startrektlr3720p1480.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1969/startrektlr3720p1484.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/927/startrektlr3720p1537.jpg

 

[Tom]

The planet being destroyed is Romulas in the 24th centurey, not vulcan.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

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Camera angle changes of the magnitude shown in the video and the fact the blackhole is fluctuating in size makes it appear to get larger but it doesn't mean it is, the clip is too short to say it's exiting a vortex conclusively.

 

[shapeshifter]

I didn't say it conclusively, I said: I think.

Fact: unless the film is running backwards it is getting larger. Open all four of those links then click through the tabs quickly like a flip book. The tentacles are longer in the last than in the first.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I didn't say it conclusively, I said: I think.

Fact: unless the film is running backwards it is getting larger. Open all four of those links then click through the tabs quickly like a flip book. The tentacles are longer in the last than in the first.

The clips look to me like that star is exploding, why would it be exiting a time vortex when a star is going Nova? What could cause the star to go Nova? the creation of a blackhole nearby to it by Neros weapon which also sucks the ship in.

 

[Tom]

The ship is exiting a time/space vortex, we will see this at least twice in the film.

 

[JuanBolio]

I didn't say it conclusively, I said: I think.

Fact: unless the film is running backwards it is getting larger. Open all four of those links then click through the tabs quickly like a flip book. The tentacles are longer in the last than in the first.

The clips look to me like that star is exploding, why would it be exiting a time vortex when a star is going Nova? What could cause the star to go Nova? the creation of a blackhole nearby to it by Neros weapon which also sucks the ship in.

...except that the ship is coming OUT of the vortex, and it looks and acts nothing like a black hole.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

and it looks and acts nothing like a black hole.

So you're the resident Star Trek Reboot Black Hole CGI expert are you.

 

[JuanBolio]

I think its safe to say I know more than you about what a black hole looks and acts like, as does anyone who's likely to be rendering one for this film.

I know one thing - black holes don't SPIT OUT whole starships. You want real spoilers? Here: that's Nero's ship, the Narada, jumping back in time around a star, possibly the result of a slingshot maneuver, about to encounter the USS Kelvin and a shitload of Klingon battlecruisers.

You might be right about the Narada ending up getting sucked into a black hole - we've seen the Narada firing on San Francisco in both the superbowl spot and trailer 3. We know it can drop black holes into planetary cores (or something to that effect). Maybe Kirk and Spock board it and make the black hole absorb the Narada instead.

Of course, then there would be a black hole in Earth orbit...

Either way, you're not at all correct in your assertations.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Either way, you're not at all correct in your assertations.

We'll see in about 2 months.