Nero's Defeat & How The Film Begins (SPOILERS)

[sebialex]

I didn't say it conclusively, I said: I think.

Fact: unless the film is running backwards it is getting larger. Open all four of those links then click through the tabs quickly like a flip book. The tentacles are longer in the last than in the first.

The clips look to me like that star is exploding, why would it be exiting a time vortex when a star is going Nova? What could cause the star to go Nova? the creation of a blackhole nearby to it by Neros weapon which also sucks the ship in.

The star is not going nova, it would take years for a black hole that small to cause a star to collapse. I don't even know why we're still arguing this. The vortex is not a black hole. The position of the ship makes it impossible. It is completely parallel to the disk and perfectly intact, ya right.

 

[Kpnuts]

Oh my god I can't believe you're still arguing about this Tachyon Shield.

The ship is exiting a vortex, right before it attacks the Kelvin.

The ship is CLEARLY shown to be emerging from it. Why are you still pursuing this ridiculous assumption that it's being sucked into a black hole when it so obviously coming out of a vortex?

The big sun in the background indicates that this scene is during the battle with the Kelvin at the very start of the movie. Which is more likely:

a) the ship exits a time vortex and attacks the Kelvin
b) the ship is destroyed in the first scene of the movie, and Paramount has reversed the shot to make it look like it's coming out to try and confuse us.

The fact that Spock talks about them receiving a distress call at the same time as the big menacing ship comes into view is the final nail in the coffin to your ridiculous belief.

 

[JuanBolio]

Either way, you're not at all correct in your assertations.

We'll see in about 2 months.

Yep.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Okay, here's what I need someone to do, ASAP:

First, build a tiny model of Nero's ship. Put as much detail into it as possible. I'm talking "Wow, I can look through windows and see little people moving in there" levels of detail.

Then, I need you to get one of those big black circular funnels that they have in malls - the ones people can put coins at the edge of, and watch them spiral around and around and around and around until they fall in the hole in the middle. They're used to collect change for charities, so try to find one for a charity that invested with Madoff, 'cause they'll never miss it - they're already plenty screwed.

Next, get a huge bag of salt, and start pouring it in the coin slot. As soon as the salt gets going really well, throw the model in on top of it, so that it slides round and round, too.

Okay, and then the trick: film the whole thing.

We'll watch it play forward, and then we'll watch it play backward, and maybe we'll do that a few more times.

And none of that will prove a damned thing about whether the picture in the OP shows a ship gettting eaten by a black hole, or a ship coming out of a temporal anomaly, or where someone at the 1 hr photo really screwed up the exposure on someone's vacation pictures.

But it will be really neat to watch, and we'll all appreciate your effort.

 

[trevanian]

Looks like a variation on the chronometric time travel fx of ILM's for FC to me. Any decent black hole effect would probably have a lot more swirly non-linear looking aspects, just to play up the maelstrom aspect for audiences, esp in the post-PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN era.

 

[Squiggy]

I think it is a rift, not a black hole and I think, unless the film is running backwards in the trailer, it is emerging from it.

 

[Kelso]

I thought the ship had a cool swirly vortex on the front.


Actually, I'm kind of disappointed now.

 

[Squiggy]

Are you going to boycott?

 

[Kelso]

Yes.... but only the scenes that involve Nero's ship.


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[JuanBolio]

Okay, here's what I need someone to do, ASAP:

First, build a tiny model of Nero's ship. Put as much detail into it as possible. I'm talking "Wow, I can look through windows and see little people moving in there" levels of detail.

Then, I need you to get one of those big black circular funnels that they have in malls - the ones people can put coins at the edge of, and watch them spiral around and around and around and around until they fall in the hole in the middle. They're used to collect change for charities, so try to find one for a charity that invested with Madoff, 'cause they'll never miss it - they're already plenty screwed.

Next, get a huge bag of salt, and start pouring it in the coin slot. As soon as the salt gets going really well, throw the model in on top of it, so that it slides round and round, too.

Okay, and then the trick: film the whole thing.

We'll watch it play forward, and then we'll watch it play backward, and maybe we'll do that a few more times.

And none of that will prove a damned thing about whether the picture in the OP shows a ship gettting eaten by a black hole, or a ship coming out of a temporal anomaly, or where someone at the 1 hr photo really screwed up the exposure on someone's vacation pictures.

But it will be really neat to watch, and we'll all appreciate your effort.

You just won the thread.

 

[Canadave]

Star Trek has never been great with physics, but they have at least never (that I can recall) tried to pull off the old "black holes must be actual holes-in-space" trick, so I doubt they'd start now.

Black Holes ARE holes in space. Neros weapon drills to the centre of planets and creates black holes and the planet implodes into it. The trailer shows us that his weapon is made to back fire or set off early and his ship gets sucked into one.

Here. Have a Wikipedia article.

Black holes are not wormholes, and they do not transport you from Point A in the space\time continuum to Point B. They are merely hyperdense balls of matter that have a gravitational field so powerful that ultimately nothing can escape them, not even light. So there's no way the Narada could be "emerging" from a black hole, unless they fucked up some really, really basic science.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Star Trek has never been great with physics, but they have at least never (that I can recall) tried to pull off the old "black holes must be actual holes-in-space" trick, so I doubt they'd start now.

Black Holes ARE holes in space. Neros weapon drills to the centre of planets and creates black holes and the planet implodes into it. The trailer shows us that his weapon is made to back fire or set off early and his ship gets sucked into one.

Here. Have a Wikipedia article.

Black holes are not wormholes, and they do not transport you from Point A in the space\time continuum to Point B. They are merely hyperdense balls of matter that have a gravitational field so powerful that ultimately nothing can escape them, not even light. So there's no way the Narada could be "emerging" from a black hole, unless they fucked up some really, really basic science.

What the hell are you talking about, when the hell did I say the black hole sucking Neros ship in was a wormhole or was even transporting it anywhere? Would you like to quote me?
I know what a wormhole is and what a blackhole is. Talk about coming into a thread and getting your wires crossed.
For something to be called a Hole it doesn't have to have an exit aswell as an entry point, an animal can dig a hole in the ground to live in but there's only one way in and out, it's still called a Hole. If you get shot in the chest the bullet leaves a bullet hole in your chest, even though there's only one way into the chest it's still a bullet hole. A blachhole is still an actual hole in space.

I cannot believe honestly that you do not understand what the definitions of a hole is.

 

[Gepard]

What the hell are you talking about, when the hell did I say the black hole sucking Neros ship in was a wormhole or was even transporting it anywhere?

The Narada is clearly coming out of the spacial disturbance. Black holes do not work like that. Therefore, your insistence that this footage is of Nero's ship being sucked into a black hole is wrong.

Got that?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

What the hell are you talking about, when the hell did I say the black hole sucking Neros ship in was a wormhole or was even transporting it anywhere?

The Narada is clearly coming out of the spacial disturbance. Black holes do not work like that.

That didn't answer my question, when did I say the black hole sucking Neros ship in was a wormhole or was even transporting it anywhere?

 

[archeryguy1701]

If that is Nero's ship being destroyed, then we get to see him die twice, as indicated my his ship doing this a completely different time as shown in the second trailer:

The only thing I love more than a bad guy who won't stay dead on TV is a bad guy who gets sucked into a black hole multiple times in one movie.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Do you not know the difference between video footage and concept art?

Besides, do you think they'll show only one view and angle of Neros ship being sucked into the blackhole?

 

[Gepard]

Do you not know the difference between video footage and concept art?

Are you seriously shitting kidding me? Really?

 

[Bounty]

(EDIT: my rampant stupidity removed)

 

[All Seeing Eye]

You say Nero's ship is coming out of the black hole, correct?

No I havn't! OMG! Where have I said that?

 

[Bounty]

You say Nero's ship is coming out of the black hole, correct?

No I havn't! OMG! Where have I said that?

...crossed wires. Sorry.