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Anyone Else Unhappy With the Post Nemesis Novels & Direction of ST?

Dayton3

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Is there anyone else here who for whatever reasons doesn't like the general direction and tone of post Nemesis Star Trek? As told in the novels?

I can't really put my finger on what I don't like about them. Having the Borg eliminated in a mere trilogy was upsetting of course.

Note, I'm posting from a public computer, so I can't return to this thread except once a day or so.
 
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Well obviously, God did not want Janeway to be saved.
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I couldn't disagree with you more, IMO the current Trek Lit line is one of the best eras of Trek ever IMO. But I;m sure there are other people who agree with you, hell just go into one of the Janeway threads and you'll see several. Although they're just mad about Janeway.
 
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Other than the fact that no one got rid of Ezri as near as I can tell... no, I don't mind at all. It was time for something fresh to occur to the Borg, it was time for a change. There is still danger, there is still hope... I'm content.
 
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Personally, I'm liking it. There's bits and pieces of the books I can complain about, of course, but overall I think the direction works.

Re: the Borg. I'm actually kind of glad they've been taken off the board in DEstiny. It was well written, it had impact, and it left the various Trek series in a good position to carry on.
 
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To be honest, I was getting a little annoyed with the direction the books were going, but I am witholding judgement until I see where the Destiny lead-out and Typhon Pact stuff is going. That said, I'm happy with most of the rest; TTN, VAN, GKN/KE, DS9, ENT, and reserving judgement on NF and VOY though I am hoping that both will be better than previous novels.
 
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Oh I didn't care about Janeway being killed.

In fact, I would be all for not only Janeway being dead and forgotten but Voyager, its entire crew and Ezri Dax as well.

They should've used the opportunity to eradicate Voyager from Star Trek in its entirety.
 
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Aww, I'm liking Captain Dax. ;)

And Voyager got trashed in Destiny, so that should make you happy.
 
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Is there anyone else here who for whatever reasons doesn't like the general direction and tone of post Nemesis Star Trek? As told in the novels?

I can't really put my finger on what I don't like about them.

I felt the same way; eventually, I realized it would require all ten fingers.
 
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Nope, I am quite happy with the direction. There are new things happening and new characters, or changes to characters that I am enjoying. I actually like Captain Dax.
 
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Really happy with the direction. I'd never picked up trek books until i read the DS9 relaunch. Now with the progression going on through titan, TNG i'm loving it.
This new typhoid pact stuff sounds good too too. I couldn't be happier to be a trek lit fan!
 
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i love the novels. post NEM TNG, TTN, KE, NF, SCE, VGD...

just not the VGR and DS9 PF stuff, cuz - to date - i've not read the VGR stuff and I've only read Avatar, Unity, Warpath and Fearful Symmetry of DS9.

it's TYPHON Idolslide, not TYPHOID...
 
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A warning: there may be some spoilers depending on what you've read.

I'm not thrilled with most of it.

I grew up on TNG, and have generally liked the fiction for that series. Titan has been mostly enjoyable. However, I had to force myself to get through all the new TNGs. I'm currently through Destiny #2.

I think I did so only because the Destiny epic seemed like such an important event in the Trek universe and I couldn't find a simple book spoiler page. And I felt I had to read everything TNG-R that led up to it or I'd be lost.

I did enjoy Titan more from the beginning; I like the characters and the stories, but they kept killing off characters I really like. Yeah, yeah, I know--that's drama and good storytelling and whatever else, but if they keep removing characters I want to see, then what's the point?

As for TNG, it really was like forcing myself to get through them. After Voyager used the Borg to death, we faced the Collective three more times in TNG-R (3 out of the 5 books, mind you, counting Death in Winter) and then the Destiny trilogy. The Borg get more and more powerful, yet we can still defeat them. Then there's Starfleet Command spouting "The Borg are no longer a threat." Seriously, are they that short-sightted? "Janeway killed the Queen." Ok, yeah...and before that, Janeway killed the Queen...and before that Picard killed the Queen...so what does that tell you? Isn't Starfleet Command made up of former starship officers who have more experience than just optimistic (delusional?) bureaucracy? I know they didn't want him at the Battle of Sector 001 in First Contact, but this was above and beyond.

Then there's the matter of Picard's crew. We meet a new set of people in Resistance...and then a new set of people in Q&A...and still new people in Greater than the Sum. I got tired of trying to get to know the new crew only to have all of them all replaced in the next book. I like where Worf's storyline has gone well enough (aside from that weird T'Lana proto-romance that seemed equal parts attraction and spite), a good thing as he's one of my favorite characters in all of Trekdom. Worf alone, however, isn't enough to keep me going.

No complaints about Janeway's ultimate fate. I wasn't big on Voyager or the captain herself, but I don't need to see the entire crew wiped out to feel good about myself.

Then we come to Destiny and Captain Ezri Dax. I suppose we have precendents for lower-ranking officers quickly advanced to the captaincy, and Dax does have more experience than the next guy. I was just never overly fond of Ezri. And I'm concerned about this 2381 storyline spoiling for the DS9-R line (still back in 2377 or so), which I really enjoy. You take some amount of mystery out of those stories when you jump ahead several years in time, show what's happened to some of those people, and make references back to DS9 stories that haven't happened yet. Now, I already know who to watch for in resolving The Soul Key.

And now, the Borg. They were really scary when they could assimilate you and gain all your knowledge and use that against you while leaving you in a hell inside your own body. Then in Voyager, they sort of gave up trying. Not one member of that crew was assimilated for more than an hour. And I'm not even sure the Borg killed anyone. I feel that a full-out Borg invasion of the Fedreation should have been those thousands of ships moving to assimilate everyone and using our newest tactics and weapons against us. Any adversary can just kill you.

I was really hopeful for all of the relaunches, especially after the success of DS9-R, but have mostly felt half-hearted about them. I suppose I've enjoyed Destiny (so far) enough for what it was, and I will finish that saga... though I have my doubts about continuing down that path afterwards. I may even pick up Titan #5 and give that one more shot, as long as they stop killing people I want to keep seeing.

I'm all for occasionally mixing it up and trying something new, and I salute the writers for taking things in bold new directions. Unfortunately, it's not really doing it for me. All of you who enjoy where this is headed, I genuinely wish you luck. I'll be back in 2377, hanging around the Bajoran Sector.
 
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Not counting the DS9 stuff as post Nemesis but I'm generally pleased with it so far.

As for the rest, only read the Destiny stuff and it was pretty average in my eyes. None of it made me want to read any of the led up stuff for TNG, Titan, ENT, Voy or that book about the Fed President. Part way through I was hoping that the Borg would win and wipe out everyone because so many of the characters (old and new) were just not doing anything for me.
 
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Oh I didn't care about Janeway being killed.

In fact, I would be all for not only Janeway being dead and forgotten but Voyager, its entire crew and Ezri Dax as well.

They should've used the opportunity to eradicate Voyager from Star Trek in its entirety.

Oh, I would love to pit you agaisnt the Disgruntled Janeway Fans (tm), on that one, Dayton3 :evil:...Maybe the perfect foil for all those threads... :vulcan:

As for your question, I was a bit ambiguous towards the direction of the TNG novels pre-Destiny, but the trilogy itself turned things around for me -besides being one of my all-time favorite TrekLit stories, its aftermath is shaping to be quite interesting :bolian: .

Also, IMO the novels have been going in said direction since the ATT series, as that begat Titan and the TNG-R which begat Destiny which will lead into more Titan and TNG, as well as th New Voyager...
...Or are you regering also to the ATT novels (as they were written post-Nemesis)?
 
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No, im loving the way its going.
 
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I think the current direction has featured some really well-written, entertaining books. That said, I'm not overly keen the direction either, and it's becoming increasingly clear that's not going to change. Janeway's fate, the Borg, the multiple deaths, I'm afraid it's just not my thing.

I am looking forward to the next Vanguard book though.
 
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Really?

Vanguard has been the site of the most death and destruction of any of the Star Trek series, at least in terms of main/semi-main characters within that series. Why is it ok in that series but not in Destiny?
 
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Really?

Vanguard has been the site of the most death and destruction of any of the Star Trek series, at least in terms of main/semi-main characters within that series. Why is it ok in that series but not in Destiny?
I'm not saying any of the editorial or creative decisions are wrong. On the contrary, they're all perfectly valid, and I don't really have a problem with them from that angle. They 're just not to my taste, which I'll admit, is completely arbitrary.

And that's the problem for me. For everything I like about the post-Nemesis novels, there's far more I don't. I like Titan (more death and destruction there, but that's never really been an issue for me) but aren't too keen on the direction they've taken with Tuvok. The DS9 Relaunch has been good, but I disliked the direction they took with Ezri. Same with Wesley and the Time To series.

So really I'm torn. I think there's some great writers working on these books, and I don't question the quality of their work at all. There's just too many things that aren't to my taste. No biggie, and I doubt anyone is going to lose any sleep over my opinion. Nor should they.
 
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I like the inter-novel consistency that's been present with the relaunch and Destiny was some of the best Trek I've read, as was A Singular Destiny. I'm excited to see what happens next, which is something I haven't been able to say regarding Trek Lit in a long time.
 
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