24th Century Pop-Culture...

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What do you suppose 24th century pop-culture would be like. In Trek you never see what kind of music, movies and other types of entertainment people are into. About the only kind of music we ever see in Trek is Riker playing some jazz in 10 Forward, or Pickard, Janeway the EMH are all into classical music. I don't even recall any eletronic musical insturments in Trek, not to mention not seeing any other types of entertainment...

 

[Forbin]

Clearly they have none of their own. Society has become so bland and peaceful that creativity itself has been quashed, and everyone must rely on the past for entertainment. Shakespeare, Mozart, Conan-Doyle, Dr. Sevrin's desciple Adam .

 

[omnirad]

Coflict, strife and inequity are the engines of creativity. Earth stopped producing any relevant artforms by the time Zephram Cochrane introduced the Vulcans to the hokey-pokey dance and a hundred year old Roy Orbison song.

The most creative characters in Trek (Data,Holo-Doc) were machines that regurgitated humanity's once vibrant culture. Really kinda sad.

Maybe the post Dominion war Federation had a renaisance of culture. But by the looks of Nemesis they were heavily into recycling still.

 

[FalTorPan]

For right or wrong, the TNG powers that be probably didn't want a repeat of the space hippies from TOS' "The Way to Eden," or the alien Supremes (see the last image on this page) from Battlestar Galactica's "Saga of a Star World."

 

[LLAP]

It is somewhat disturbing that there appears to be very little cultural expression in the Federation. With so much

leisure time (after all, no one has to work) one would think that there would be a lot of new forms of art. I suppose holo-story writing would be quite a big form of art (wasn't Paris into that?).​

 

[omnirad]

^^
HoloDeck story writing seems like it could easily degenerate into FanWank/XtubePorno.

-For civilians at least. As we know StarFleet officers and androids do not have impure thoughts.

They have to create holo-fantasies like meeting Leonardo DaVinci, or fighting the Battle of Britian. The History Channel of entertainment!zzzz

 

[Oso Blanco]

HoloDeck story writing seems like it could easily degenerate into FanWank/XtubePorno.

My holodeck story would involve Linda Park and Hayden Panettiere ...

 

[Plecostomus]

HoloDeck story writing seems like it could easily degenerate into FanWank/XtubePorno.

My holodeck story would involve Linda Park and Hayden Panettiere ...

Instant best-seller.

 

[john titor]

^^
HoloDeck story writing seems like it could easily degenerate into FanWank/XtubePorno.

-For civilians at least. As we know StarFleet officers and androids do not have impure thoughts.

They have to create holo-fantasies like meeting Leonardo DaVinci, or fighting the Battle of Britian. The History Channel of entertainment!zzzz

Sex programs are probably banned on star ships, just like you're not meant to look up porn at work. The holodeck would require a lot of unnecessary cleaning.

 

[AoC Berto]

Don’t forget that we, in the 21st century, still find music from the past relevant and interesting today. Consider these examples:

Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony
Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture
Scott Joplin’s “The Entertainer”
Sousa's "Hail To The Chief"
Louie Armstrong’s “What a Wonderful World”
Judy Garland’s “Somewhere Over The Rainbow”
Black Sabbath’s “Iron Man”
Bill Joel’s “Piano Man”
John Lennon’s “Imagine”
Bon Jovi’s “Livin’ on a Prayer”
Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit”
Justin Timberlake’s “Sexy Back.”

AoC Berto

 

[Danoz]

I think it's a clear weakness in the series where writers had to fight with the tension between Roddenberry's vision of 24th century utopia and modern, more realist perceptions of human nature. It seemed that even the most creative of holoprograms were throwbacks to humanity's roots (granted, if I had a holodeck I dare say I would engage in the kind of programming that Tom Paris does). Voyager alluded to the idea that Federation civilians were engaged by new, popular holoprograms. Music and modern composition still seems to be intact.

Anyway, Trek really missed the mark during the Dominion War. No way in hell when we're losing Starfleet Officers on a scale greater than that of the Vietnam War are we doing so based soley on the "loyalty and dedication" of selfless Starfleet. I would have liked to see the Federation implement some kind of compulsory service. If you had any sense of self-preservation, the Federation would be the last place to consider employment. It's a question of how the Federation overcomes the free rider syndrome, and they never really addressed the inevitable stagnation of innovation that would follow from this kind of commune society where all utility is met regardless.

 

[Myasishchev]

They do mention a manpower shortage.

However, really I doubt it takes all that many volunteers to crew Starfleet--a high estimate of 10,000 ships (at a high average of five hundred crew apiece) give a requirement of only 5 million line soldiers. Throw in another 5 million marines (if they even exist), and at a ten-to-one ratio of support-to-line troops, 50 million logistics officers, that's only 60 million in total, not even an order of magnitude greater than the combined numbers of the volunteer armies that exist on Earth, today. Given the factor of hundreds by which the Federation population outnumbers today's Earth, I don't find it too unbelievable that they'd have been able to generate 60 million, or even 120 or 240 million over the course of the war (to account of losses similar to those of the Soviet Union facing Germany). It's a miniscule fraction of the total population. At most 1%.

A far greater percentage of Britons volunteered to be be gunned down by Germans in the mud for the sake of Belgium; something close to that percentage of Americans are in voluntary service, even given rather unpopular wars abroad. I don't find it too hard to believe Starfleet could fill most of its gaps with volunteers, given the existential nature of the Dominion threat.

Plus, after the war started, the economic commissioners probably started hoarding antimatter for the starships instead of the public holodecks. Stripped of their right to holoporn, the citizens of the Federation suddenly, for the first time in centuries, felt the need to kill.

I do agree that it would have been a nice story to show some relatives or something, affected by the transition to a total war economy.