http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/23/gitmo.detainee/index.html
These people are there for a reason it appears.
These people are there for a reason it appears.
Maybe we shouldn't close Gitmo so quickly
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Of course there may be people that are there for a reason.
But it's the US's treatment of those people that puts us on a level no
better than the "Terrorists" are we claim to be the lowest form of life.
Gitmo is gone. Good riddence. As are alot of ilegal and wrong things done
in the name of "The War on Terror".
But it's the US's treatment of those people that puts us on a level no
better than the "Terrorists" are we claim to be the lowest form of life.
Gitmo is gone. Good riddence. As are alot of ilegal and wrong things done
in the name of "The War on Terror".
I was fine with Gitmo. I was fine with the treatment the terrorists got. However, I will also be fine with that fact that since they don't have a place to be sent, terror suspects will be taken to top-secret safehouses and then they'll "disappear". No matter how you add it up, they'll be gone.
No it's not.
So we can put the possibly new facility in your town then?
Make sure you list all those for your representatives to bring up at the Bush trials.
Subjective statement. Sometimes the grownups need to make the tough decisions to keep people safe.and wrong things done
in the name of "The War on Terror".
This story was just a headline to throw out to his worshipers.
Same thing with the "torture" story. The order that forbids anything that looks like torture but leaves him the ability to order waterboarding or other coercive techniques if the decides they are necessary. But of course we're not supposed to notice that. Just the headlines that say "Obama Bans Torture! World Saved From Evil Bush!"
Yes yes, we've all heard about the "tough deshisions" plenty.
Having to make tough decisons does not require making stupid deshisions.
Which is all Bush ever made. "Tough deshisions" is just a lexicon.
It really means nothing as every President has, and will have to, make
tough decisions. He's trying to sugar coat the fact that his choices and
results were horrid with the fact that they were tough to accomplish.
Gitmo is being closed. Gone, whatever wording you want to use.
The ilegal CIA activites abroad are being ceased.
Good, they were as UnAmerican as Bush and his possy.
The Republican Regime is going to throw every little thing they can out
there to justify what they are responsible for, but in the eyes of logical
and sane people everywhere, they will continue to fail utterly.
Jolan Tru.
Having to make tough decisons does not require making stupid deshisions.
Which is all Bush ever made. "Tough deshisions" is just a lexicon.
It really means nothing as every President has, and will have to, make
tough decisions. He's trying to sugar coat the fact that his choices and
results were horrid with the fact that they were tough to accomplish.
Gitmo is being closed. Gone, whatever wording you want to use.
The ilegal CIA activites abroad are being ceased.
Good, they were as UnAmerican as Bush and his possy.
The Republican Regime is going to throw every little thing they can out
there to justify what they are responsible for, but in the eyes of logical
and sane people everywhere, they will continue to fail utterly.
Jolan Tru.
Gee and we all thought they just randomly plucked people off the streets of America for being brown
Do you even understand the objections and the solutions to this issue? It's not just about letting everybody go
It's about treating people in accordance with the laws and principles of your own country, does this not matter a jot to people anymore??
They are treated like humans, just not citizens. They have a pretty cushy life there until they get sent back to join forces killing our guys, again.
Not to Bush and his.
You are very adept at the concept of humor.
Which technicaly means they would have to uphold a certain standard
they claim to live by. That we are supposedly better than those who
would attack us.
But considering who we're talking about here double-standards are the standard.
"... liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Unless you're Gay...
"Justice for all." Unless you're the enemy...
"Peace and prosperity." Unless you don't own and oil rig...
etc etc etc...
I share his concerns. Constitutional freedoms and rights apply to Americans.
Not ever in our history has a soldier from an enemy state received constitutional due process if you will. And these people are not even from a recognized government, hence the terrorist label. They should not receive that due process either. They are human being, so I wouldn't be for taking them out back and putting a bullet in the back of their head, but military tribunals sound to me like a right thing to do.
and the care there is another thing. They get 3 meals a day, the opportunity to worship and pray as they want, they get a Koran. If they get sick or hurt themselves they get medical care. What else do they want? It is a prison, not a hotel.
Exactly, and if you could make a case against these guys you wouldn't need to set them free. That doesn't mean they aren't terrorists, but it does mean you can't prove it.
A lot of murderers get away scot free because there is insufficient evidence against them, but I don't see Americans crying for the legal system to be abandoned and these people locked up without evidence, even though they may represent an ongoing threat to the American public.
There are unavoidably innocents caught up when you just abandon all the principles the American justice system was built on too, these people apparently don't matter.
There will be justice, and it will involve the enemy being punished. In the case of these particular enemies, hopefully there will be afair amount of misery involved with that justice. What's the problem?
Give me a break. I was going to post some sort of counter-arguement to this statement, but there's really not much that can be said there except
I agree archerguy1701Sounds good in theory. In practice it probably sucks for the ones who aren't actually enemies. That's the thing to be careful about....
There will also and has also been suffering of innocents.
Who cares about them though eh?
Of course there may be people that are there for a reason.
But it's the US's treatment of those people that puts us on a level no
better than the "Terrorists" are we claim to be the lowest form of life.
Gitmo is gone. Good riddence. As are alot of ilegal and wrong things done
in the name of "The War on Terror".
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me.
Why the Gitmo policies may not change
Basically, don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Keep in mind Lindley and Pingfah, you're also talking to the same guy who wants the death pentalty carried out more quickly with less and faster appeals, and thinks innocent people would generally be able to prove their innocence. It happens sometimes. It's unfortunate. But if it makes us safer, then it's a necessary evil in my book.
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