Maybe we shouldn't close Gitmo so quickly

[Augustus]

yep, things can go badly...

 

[Pingfah]

As long as you are OK with that, we really have nothing further to say then.

 

[Augustus]

well I guess so, I am ok with it in that there are unintentional consequences in war as sad and as unfortunate as that is.

 

[Pingfah]

Not a war.

 

[Augustus]

yes, be sure to send that memo to Al-Qaeda...

 

[darkshadow0001]

Well hopefully if they let these people go that they won't plan some other kind of attack in the future.

 

[Pingfah]

They may well do, that's a risk you run. I'd expect it in fact since a lot of them very likely are terrorists or combatants of some sort.

 

[miraclefan]

Long time visiter,First time poster.Unfortunetly from where I see things...ALL of this won't matter SQUAT anyway!Because of the NIMRODS! running this country (Left & Right) and let's face it the apathy of the people in it,America is DESTINED to collapse.Sorry to be such a downer.

 

[Pingfah]

That probably goes for all of us

 

[JuanBolio]

While this issue is not as simple as it may seem, I wonder why some people, like Gertch, seem to have it in their heads that everyone held there or who has ever been held there, incommunicado, without a chance to argue their case or hear the evidence against them, is in fact guilty. Especially when so many who WERE innocent and have not since joined Al Qaeda have been released.

 

[Pingfah]

Because it's convenient to believe that.

 

[DeafPoet]

While this issue is not as simple as it may seem, I wonder why some people, like Gertch, seem to have it in their heads that everyone held there or who has ever been held there, incommunicado, without a chance to argue their case or hear the evidence against them, is in fact guilty. Especially when so many who WERE innocent and have not since joined Al Qaeda have been released.

QFT.

I have no doubt that they're holding some really bad dudes down at Gitmo, but the fact is who's to say unless someone tries these guys in a court of law?

Yeah, sure, if you start treating them like they're people with rights, you may let a few of said bad dudes slip through the cracks. Regrettable but necessary.

"Better to let 100 guilty men go free than let one innocent man suffer."

Thought I've heard that before somewhere...

The War on Terror is, on some level, a fight for the moral high ground. You don't win that particular battle by treating people like shit and presumed criminals.

 

[JuanBolio]

"Better to let 100 guilty men go free than let one innocent man suffer."

Bingo.

Cowards choose safety over liberty. Brave men & women choose liberty over safety.

 

[Meat Tenderizer]

Of course there may be people that are there for a reason.

But it's the US's treatment of those people that puts us on a level no
better than the "Terrorists" are we claim to be the lowest form of life.

Gitmo is gone. Good riddence. As are alot of ilegal and wrong things done
in the name of "The War on Terror".

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me.
Why the Gitmo policies may not change

There may be less than meets the eye to the executive orders President Obama issued yesterday to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay and prohibit the torture of prisoners in American custody. Those pronouncements may sound dramatic and unequivocal, but experts predict that American policy towards detainees could remain for months or even years pretty close to what it was as President Bush left office.
“I think the administration’s commitment to close Guantanamo is heartening; the fact they want to give themselves a year to do it, not so much,”, said Ramzi Kassem, a Yale Law School lecturer who represents prisoners like inmate Ahmed Zuhair, who was captured in Pakistan in 2001. “That would bring men like my client to eight years imprisonment for no apparent reason.”

A section of Obama’s order on Guantanamo entitled “Humane Standards of Confinement” orders Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to spend the next thirty days reviewing the current conditions at the Caribbean prison to make sure they’re legal and follow the Geneva Convention. It seems doubtful that Gates, who has been atop the chain of command for Guantanamo for more than two years, will suddenly find conditions that were just fine on Monday of this week are now flagrant violations of the Geneva Convention.
“He’s not exactly impartial,” Kassem said.
Waxman pointed out that adhering to the Geneva Condition is “already the law,” and deemed that section of the order “bizarre.”

3. Obama vowed no torture on his watch, but force-feeding and solitary confinement apparently continue at Guantanamo for now.

Basically, don't count your chickens before they hatch.

I wonder what people would say if we really were using good old-fashioned torture techniques.

 

[JNG]

I was fine with Gitmo. I was fine with the treatment the terrorists got. However, I will also be fine with that fact that since they don't have a place to be sent, terror suspects will be taken to top-secret safehouses and then they'll "disappear". No matter how you add it up, they'll be gone.

Yep, it's just political showing off that has little or no effect on how the prisoners are ultimately treated.

 

[Kelthaz]

While this issue is not as simple as it may seem, I wonder why some people, like Gertch, seem to have it in their heads that everyone held there or who has ever been held there, incommunicado, without a chance to argue their case or hear the evidence against them, is in fact guilty. Especially when so many who WERE innocent and have not since joined Al Qaeda have been released.

I don't get that either. It almost seems as if they think as soon as you are accused of a crime you are automatically guilty of it. Guilty until proven innocent.

 

[JuanBolio]

While this issue is not as simple as it may seem, I wonder why some people, like Gertch, seem to have it in their heads that everyone held there or who has ever been held there, incommunicado, without a chance to argue their case or hear the evidence against them, is in fact guilty. Especially when so many who WERE innocent and have not since joined Al Qaeda have been released.

I don't get that either. It almost seems as if they think as soon as you are accused of a crime you are automatically guilty of it. Guilty until proven innocent.

When it comes to evil buzzwords like "terrorist", many less rational people would rather be safe than... anything.

 

[sidious618]

"Better to let 100 guilty men go free than let one innocent man suffer."

Bingo.

Cowards choose safety over liberty. Brave men & women choose liberty over safety.

Agreed one hundred percent.

 

[Gertch]

They have a pretty cushy life there until they get sent back to join forces killing our guys, again.

You are very adept at the concept of humor.

Indeed he is. You always make me laugh, Gertchy

That makes me happy then. I get my sense of humor by not only reading CNN or the Huffington Post.

"Better to let 100 guilty men go free than let one innocent man suffer."

Bingo.

Cowards choose safety over liberty. Brave men & women choose liberty over safety.

Agreed one hundred percent.

Cause everything is black and white.

But I'm with ya. Let's put electronic braclets on them, dump them into the center of San Fran (the most tolerant city in US perhaps) to learn how to get along with others. After being there for 3 years we can then shop them out to other countries as reformed since previous reformation techniques haven't worked.

 

[sidious618]

But I'm with ya. Let's put electronic braclets on them, dump them into the center of San Fran (the most tolerant city in US perhaps) to learn how to get along with others. After being there for 3 years we can then shop them out to other countries as reformed since previous reformation techniques haven't worked.

The thing is, no one is saying thay except for you. You are either intentionally lying about facts or just refuse to acknowledge what Obama is saying that he'll do.