So long, Vista
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...just say'en. Got a new Dell desk top for Christmas and so far Vista has been OK. Everything we do is quicker and the 'start search' is a nice feature.
Had XP before and had zero problems with it, so with such a good OS I was not looking forward to change, esp after all I've heard but Vista been OK so far...
...(looking for wood to knock on)
Had XP before and had zero problems with it, so with such a good OS I was not looking forward to change, esp after all I've heard but Vista been OK so far...
...(looking for wood to knock on)
Pure BS. I run Vista on two systems, including a 4-year old Dell that I upgraded to Vista. Neither system had to be gutted or reconfigured to work properly.
I'm tired of the Vista bashers.
Everytime MS comes out with a new OS, we hear the same complaining. All the way back to Windows 95. "It sucks, I'm rolling back to Windows xx." Then a new OS appears. The same people say "It sucks, I'm rolling back to Windows xx+1. You know, the one I said sucked 3 years ago."
If all the complainers remained true to their opinions of each new Microsoft OS, they should all still be using CP/M.
If all the complainers remained true to their opinions of each new Microsoft OS, they should all still be using CP/M.
I've been using Vista at work for 12 months now and I do not care for it. I manage a fleet of 50 desktops and notebooks, only two of which are running Vista (mine and the Pres of the co.) and issues with these two machines have taken up proportionally more of my time than the XP machines. Recognizing peripherals, networking/domain issues and incompatibility with some of the proprietary software we use have been among the major difficulties. I keep an XP notebook around for when my Vista box will not do what I need it to do.
Vista may not be as bad as some have made out but it has provided me enough frustration that I will not be rolling it out to whole company and I won't be installing it on my home machines. At home I have been working with Linux (Ubuntu), dual booting with XP. I probably spend 90% of my time in Linux now.
Vista may not be as bad as some have made out but it has provided me enough frustration that I will not be rolling it out to whole company and I won't be installing it on my home machines. At home I have been working with Linux (Ubuntu), dual booting with XP. I probably spend 90% of my time in Linux now.
It's also a matter of perspective. I use Linux on my personal machine (with a Vista Business partition) and XP SP3 at work. The OS I care for the least is Vista:
1. Painfully long startup on fresh bootup. I don't like waiting longer than 10-15 seconds for shut down and restart.
2. I don't like unnecessary visual effects that do nothing for productivity (granted, I do use a Linux 3D desktop with Mac-like gdesklets... but these increase productivity-- they don't just look pretty).
3. I don't like having to delete loads of preinstalled software because Sony Vaio or Dell or HP think I need it, and that I need it starting up on my first boot.
4. Obviously (as somebody mentioned above) the "instant search" function is nice, but Google Desktop had already made this possible in XP.
5. Vista has trouble running Wings3D. On the same computer, when 3D modeling, I can get 3 times the polycounts than I can in Ubuntu or XP.
Give Vista a couple years of computer development and a few more service packages and it'll probably be a decent system. I'm sure by then they'll have released some new monstrosity to beta test on their customers.
Bottom line, it's fine that you like Vista, but there's little denying that MacOS, Linux and XP are all better.
There's only one problem I've found with Vista that has kept me from recommending it to my business clients. File copying is sometimes horrendously slow, especially across a network, and even more especially when mixed OSs are involved. Service packs and updates have improved this somewhat, but it's still pretty pitiful sometimes.
For home use, though, I like it a lot. It's on all my home PCs, and I recommend it to every home user I deal with. The interface is great, and less "fuck-up-able" than previous versions.
For home use, though, I like it a lot. It's on all my home PCs, and I recommend it to every home user I deal with. The interface is great, and less "fuck-up-able" than previous versions.
I recommend the MacOS to anybody who asks me what home computer to get, these days. Especially if they're just looking for a basic productivity machine for their digital cameras, online video chat, playing DVDs, word/excel/powerpoint, internet etc. You'll never hear a complaint, and they won't be able to screw it up.
Depends on your motherboard - and it's more true of newer laptops then desktop PCs in general; but what happened is Microsoft convinced some hardware manufacturers to NOT provide XP compatible low level drivers for some of their components, so, sometimes you might have an issue finding an XP driver on some of the newer hardware out there. But, since Vista adoption has not been what MS had hoped; most manufacturer's have since made XP drivers available; but if you're 'downgrading' (in quotes because I still don't see XP as a downgrade from Vista); you will want to make sure XP alreay has, or you've found and dowload all the needed drivers before you reformat and install XP on what was a Vista machine if it's brand new hardware.
Ah, I get you now. That seems to apply to machines that have already come with Vista installed then?. The machine I'm using now originally came with XP installed in it when I purchased it back in late 2005.
While that may be true in general terms, I don't think there was a mass outcry when XP came out that people wanted to downgrade back to 98 or ME (except maybe people whose computers were at the very low end and couldn't run XP); I think it was pretty uniform that XP was infinitely superior to 98 or ME. Vista, by contrast, is not. (Ditto ME, which was a debacle and prompted a lot of back-to-98ers.) So I don't think it's complaints about any and all new Windows versions, just the crappy ones.
What little early word I have heard on it has been pretty positive out of the box. Which is unusual for a Windows Beta release.
OSX yes, Linux in general meh, depends on the distro and who's using it.
But you can't just clear cut say XP is better than Vista. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. A lot (I'm not saying all) of the people who go to XP from Vista do so out of fear of something new. Quite a few just don't want to change, or learn something new, they just want what they know and are comfortable with.
I built my 11 year old a computer out of discarded parts in the closet, including a Northwood p4 processor that's over 6 years old and an ASRock motherboard that was the cheapest socket 478 I could find when my MSI blew up. I used on board Intel video which is absolutely crap. The only thing I spent money on was buying two gigs of DDR for about 30 bucks.
The thing runs Vista Home Premium like a dream. It won't run the Aero desktop, or native apps like Movie Maker that need 3d acceleration, but other than that it's been perfect. We use it for full Office for her school work including some graphics and Photoshopping as well as email and internet flash games. It is easily as fast for those apps as my Core 2 dual core with 4 gigs of ram. This is six year old hardware that you could pull out of the garbage.
Yes there was. ME was crap, powerusers either stuck with 98SE which was an awesome, fast, lean OS for gamers, or used 2k. XP was originally tagged as a resource pig, and it wasn't particularly stable until SP 2. A lot of the improvements with SP 2 including the firewall ended up breaking some older apps though, I remember my ex-wife's Works bundle that came with her Dell ended up FUBARed by SP 2.
That was my point. XP was not a good OS before the service packages, before Microsoft beta-tested on its customers. Now that we have SP3, we have a lean, stable system that works well with today's technology (with most people having an least a gig or two of RAM these days). I'm certain in a few years Vista will be a good OS, but when that happens we'll be looking at Microsoft's new and "improved" resource sucking pile of junk.
? You missed the part where I explained that Vista is perfectly fast and stable on six year old hardware that was destined for the garbage? Since SP 1 it's been fine, no problems, no glitches, no slow transfers, no driver problems, nothing wrong at all. We're there already.
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