Could Janeway have done it...

[2 of 10]

Just finished watching "In the Pale Moonlight" I love the closing scene, in which Sisko admits to all his crimes. My question is could have or would have Capt Janeway done what Sisko did, at times she was so moral, Equinox Pt 2, and at times she could be so proactive, Dark Frontier Pt 1, will the real Capt Kathrine Janeway please stand up...

Resistance is Futile

 

[Hermiod]

I'm not sure.

Janeway was exceptionally brave when it came to her own life, but often demonstrated a slight reluctance to put the lives of others on the line.

She may given the possibility that the Romulans would find out and declare war on the Federation greater weight.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Was Janeway "so moral" when she nearly let that Equinox crewman die in the cargo bay???

I guess she could do it, especially if it directly threatened her 'Voyager family' (ie the main cast, except maybe Harry)

 

[Hermiod]

Was Janeway "so moral" when she nearly let that Equinox crewman die in the cargo bay???

She was moral in general. Seven was right, if they were less worried about the Prime Directive they could have gotten home faster and more safely.

 

[2 of 10]

She was so outraged by the immoral behavior of Ransom and his crew that yes, she was willing to test the resolve of Mr Lessing in the cargo bay, it was his call to make, she was just helping him make the right decision...


Resistance is Futile

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sure she could. In exactly the same situation if she was the captain of DS9, in the middle of the Dominion war, given the same opportunity, my only two questions would be if she could do it with out doing it with Garrak and whether that would be to secretly control the tailor or if she was unwittingly being put on a leash by our Cardassian masterspy when she assumed that she secretly controled the tailor?

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

I don't think she could've done it. While all Starfleet personnel in command positions must be ready to make tough choices, assignments are not handed out randomly. Janeway's scientific background and good nature made her the perfect choice for a ship like Voyager that would be doing exploration type missions, mostly. Sisko had an edgier/grittier personality and was the right person to have out on the frontier and to try to keep the Cardassians and Bajorans in line.

 

[Deks]

But also keep in mind that Janeway was in hard situations a lot of the times in the DQ while Sisko on the other hand did have SF to back him up.
Janeway had to think more on her feet.
I would say that a lot of the people in command gain experience in various other areas as time goes on.

Would Janeway be capable of doing what Sisko did?
I think there's a possibility she might find another way around it ... but generally, yes.

Also keep in mind that most of the things that occurred 'In the Pale Moonlight' was through Garak and not by Sisko himself.
In essence, Garak was the one who did the hard part while Sisko merely made the decision to live with the consequences of the end result and figured that it ultimately turned out for the better, which is why he said he would do it again.
Janeway would likely do the same thing (although I'm sure she would also try exploring different alternatives).

 

[pimp]

She definitely would have done exactly what Sisko did and maybe even more, if you look at what she did to Tuvix i think it's a reasonable assumption, She evil pure evil

 

[Guy Gardener]

She only did that to Tuvix because Kes made her. She was perfectly fine with Tuvix staying around even after a "cure" was found, until Kes shows up in the middle of the night crying that her boyfriend is done gone away and ain't keeping her warm at night no more... EVEN THOUGH TUVIX OFFERED (Kes knows Tuvok fancies her as of at least Warlord, which is a couple episodes away when that Warlord bloke is offering up Kes' tight little body for the Vulcan to use as a scratching post, because it's obvious from how he looks at her that he wants to tap that... Although that could just be surviving phantoms from Tuvix/Neelix, but it was Kathy that Tuvok approached for his deep meld in Flashback... ) and that she can't live without him... Even though she dumped him just half a season later.

Kes and Garrak might use different tools, but they can play their commanding officers like... Hamlet made a comment about this once.

Could Sisko have been manipulated by Kes' tears and libido as easily as he was by Garaks lies and ego stroking?

 

[Praetor]

I think Janeway could have done it, but I'm not so sure that she would have. She was always more of a 'needs of the many' type character, as her crew will attest, but I'm not sure she would be willing to take the risk. As others have suggested, she would have probably found another way to bring the Romulans in... probably involving time travel.

Oh, Kathy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But would that be present day Kathy retreating into history to fix the present, then why not stop the war entirely by making sure Sisko never finds the Wormhole? Hell, blow up the wormhole, it was quite vulnerable in the beginning.

Or would she just wait another 5 minutes to see how many Admiral Janeways backstep to help her, with each newly arriven Admiral Janeway having already lived out a mildly different permutation of these events having had to argue with almost as many cluttered admiral Janeways when they were her youngerself... You know like how Bill and Ted fight evil? But then Bill and Ted are obviously self medicating so temporal physics will not give them even the slightest of head aches.

 

[AuntKate]

I'm at a disadvantage here because I'm not familiar with the DS9 episode in question. I think it might have aired after our local independent station went to NBC and moved DS9 to the wee hours of a Monday morning.

What I sense in the discussion is a sort of "competition" between Sisko's and Janeway's personality and resolve, and I am always a bit leery of those types of comparisons. I can't help but wonder if it isn't a veiled attempt at Janeway-bashing once again. Inevitably, someone brings up the "Tuvix" and "Equinox" episodes as if those decisions were typical of Janeway's conduct, when, in fact, they weren't. Perhaps individuals who fixate on those two unique dilemmas should take the time to watch the rest of the series and get to know Janeway better.

Ultimately, I find this kind of speculation pretty pointless, but that's just MHO.

 

[Praetor]

But would that be present day Kathy retreating into history to fix the present, then why not stop the war entirely by making sure Sisko never finds the Wormhole? Hell, blow up the wormhole, it was quite vulnerable in the beginning.

Or would she just wait another 5 minutes to see how many Admiral Janeways backstep to help her, with each newly arriven Admiral Janeway having already lived out a mildly different permutation of these events having had to argue with almost as many cluttered admiral Janeways when they were her youngerself... You know like how Bill and Ted fight evil? But then Bill and Ted are obviously self medicating so temporal physics will not give them even the slightest of head aches.

I imagine Admiral Janeways would arrive constantly beginning stardate 51715, continuously each next five minutes, each progressively older, until they turned on each other and destroyed the Alpha Quadrant themselves.

Seriously though, I imagine Admiral Janeway would definitely do something a la 'Endgame,' like collapse the wormhole before it was discovered as you suggest. Captain Janeway would probably just try talking to the Romulans, then she and Chakotay would play good cop/bad cop with them.

And I'm not Janeway-bashing. I happen to be quite fond of Kathy. She's just very different from Sisko. As I said above, more of a 'needs of the many' person than not, and I think therefore less willing to take risks with large amounts of lives.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm at a disadvantage here because I'm not familiar with the DS9 episode in question. I think it might have aired after our local independent station went to NBC and moved DS9 to the wee hours of a Monday morning.

What I sense in the discussion is a sort of "competition" between Sisko's and Janeway's personality and resolve, and I am always a bit leery of those types of comparisons. I can't help but wonder if it isn't a veiled attempt at Janeway-bashing once again. Inevitably, someone brings up the "Tuvix" and "Equinox" episodes as if those decisions were typical of Janeway's conduct, when, in fact, they weren't. Perhaps individuals who fixate on those two unique dilemmas should take the time to watch the rest of the series and get to know Janeway better.

Ultimately, I find this kind of speculation pretty pointless, but that's just MHO.

It's all because when Janeway does bad, she claims she didn't. That she's perfect. In this case... Sisko did bad. Admits it. And says it really doesn't matter. He can live with being a bad person. You'd think that because of the stake at hand that Janeway wouldn't have no option but to follow garak just like Sisko did, but afterward, would she feel she was naughty?

Ahhh... Night.

Night was an odd time for kathy to realize that she is living in a world created by her bad decisions. That she's crippled by the ramifications of her choices really, that if it wasn't for each new disaster and adventure each week, she'd be a jittering rocking mess begging for a straight jacket.

It's really hard to do nothing for an extended period.