16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her rear

[Hermiod]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

Are you not understanding that the forum in the OP's second link simply re-quoted - without alteration - the same article from the news organization in the first link? How do the exact same words suddenly become less reliable because they're on a female forum? The only one showing any bias here is you.

Are you not understanding that there were multiple posts in that forum thread ?

But that didn't stop you from making a snap judgment about a female oriented forum manipulating facts, did it?

All you had to say was "we don't know enough about the situation for me to make a judgment yet" and it wouldn't have been an issue. Instead, you chose to insert your personal men as victims agenda into the mix without basis.

You chose to insert your victim of child abuse bias in to your analysis, so allowing our own opinions to bias our interpretation of the facts is a crime we're all guilty of, right ?

In what way?

In your usual way. I thought we'd moved past that, obviously I was wrong.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

Are you not understanding that there were multiple posts in that forum thread?

There are multiple posts in this thread posting opinions in reaction to the same article. So what? That's how forums work. That doesn't change the fact that both places presented the same information up front and let people make their own judgments. There was no manipulation involved.

You chose to insert your victim of child abuse bias in to your analysis, so allowing our own opinions to bias our interpretation of the facts is a crime we're all guilty of, right ?

I never used the words child abuse once. I said he used violence first according to the article. Is slapping someone across the face not an act of violence? Going by the limited information in the article, it says he slapped her first, and then tried to spank her, and she responded by punching him (which she admits). Until we get more information, that's what we have to go on, and I said that if I was in the same situation I would respond the same way. Nothing more than my opinion based on the information at hand. And if that information is inaccurate I will revise my opinion.

In what way?

In your usual way. I thought we'd moved past that, obviously I was wrong.

Oh, please. I'm disagreeing with the tack you've chosen to take towards a female forum for no logical reason. It has nothing to do with any alleged history between us or other such nonsense, which you've never hesitated to bring up instead of just addressing the points I make.

If you want to consider this a personal problem with you rather than a disagreement with your position, go ahead. I don't care to try and convince you otherwise any more.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

There are multiple posts in this thread posting opinions in reaction to the same article. So what? That's how forums work. That doesn't change the fact that both places presented the same information up front and let people make their own judgments. There was no manipulation involved.

There are indeed multiple posts in this thread and a lot of them are making assumptions too. The difference is that this thread is not being presented as a primary source of information, whereas the forum thread linked to in the original post was.

I never used the words child abuse once. I said he used violence first according to the article. Is slapping someone across the face not an act of violence? Going by the limited information in the article, it says he slapped her first, and then tried to spank her, and she responded by punching him (which she admits). Until we get more information, that's what we have to go on, and I said that if I was in the same situation I would respond the same way. Nothing more than my opinion based on the information at hand. And if that information is inaccurate I will revise my opinion.

If I was 16 and in that situation (which I was, many times, and worse) I would have punched him too.

That suggests to me that you were in that situation (where your father was disciplining you physically) and worse. I'm sorry that that was the case, as I said I do not support physical punishment.

Oh, please. I'm disagreeing with the tack you've chosen to take towards a female forum for no logical reason. It has nothing to do with any alleged history between us or other such nonsense, which you've never hesitated to bring up instead of just addressing the points I make.

If you want to consider this a personal problem with you rather than a disagreement with your position, go ahead. I don't care to try and convince you otherwise any more.

I think you'll find that it was RoJoHen who stated that you overreacted to my post, not me, and I'm not the only person you overreact to. I'm guilty of that too, I admit, but people aren't exactly shy to call me on it so why should they be with you ?

As for not addressing your points, I think you'll find I have answered everything you've said.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

I think you'll find that it was RoJoHen who stated that you overreacted to my post, not me, and I'm not the only person you overreact to.

I'm well aware that he said it. You added your own comment to it, and I addressed that comment.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

I checked around for any new or different informaiton. All the sources use the same text. this one may be slightly different.
http://www.fox4now.com/Global/story.asp?S=9426924

One guy on one thread in another forum implied that spanking is legal for minors in florida. I personally don't know if that's true. I think it's an odd story. i mean most 16-year0old girls look like young women, and there may be some perversion involved. Some girls that age are also rebellious, and she may very well have seriously injured him when she punched him. I mean, I'm a 34 year old guy who is thin, and generally not stronger than women, so if a girl had punched me, i might be in for some tears and medical attention. That may be why he thought that calling the cops on her was necessary. However, it is odd he would do that becuase he hit her first. The article does state that she tried to hit him again, so if he was already seriously hurt, he might have felt really threatened by the girl.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

For everyone who thinks they turned out "better" because they were spanked/hit/thrown against a wall, and the today's society is too easy on kids, try to remember that for generations, kids were spanked at home and strapped and beaten in schools and the world still had robbery, extortion, raping, murder and spitting on the sidewalk. The days of hard discipline on children didn't give us a better society...

Meanwhile, in the OP, the reason the girl is charged is because the father, at this point, is the one who pressed charges, likely telling police the girl punched him and walked out. He likely told police he was threatening to "spank" her, but didn't say he'd already slapped her across the face.

She was arrested because the father charged her. She's given her statement, but they still have to say she's arrested, even if the charges don't go anywhere.

The father doesn't have a case, and if it goes forward her lawyer will lay counter charges. It's entirely possible the father layed charges because he was pissing his pants in fear that she would call police first.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

I can't see any evidence that there might have been "some perversion" involved. Some people are just scumbags without being paedophile scumbags too. That conclusion is drawn too quickly these days.

I also cannot see any evidence that the father reported the incident to the police.

The new article, however, suggests that there was an argument, she swore at him, he slapped her and then attempted to spank her. She then hit him to prevent that but then continued to try to hit him again before leaving with friends.

The police may have interpreted her continued attempts to hit him as going beyond self-defence, I suppose.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

For everyone who thinks they turned out "better" because they were spanked/hit/thrown against a wall, and the today's society is too easy on kids, try to remember that for generations, kids were spanked at home and strapped and beaten in schools and the world still had robbery, extortion, raping, murder and spitting on the sidewalk. The days of hard discipline on children didn't give us a better society...

Oh right, I forgot about the time we could leave our front doors open and go to the shop without fear of being robbed. Yes crime existed but no where near to the extent it does today. Crime is rising faster and faster by the month.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

The new article, however, suggests that there was an argument, she swore at him, he slapped her and then attempted to spank her. She then hit him to prevent that but then continued to try to hit him again before leaving with friends.

It's still the same poorly written local article with the same typo as the previous two links. There is no new or different information, it's just being re-posted by the AP and other local news agencies.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

For everyone who thinks they turned out "better" because they were spanked/hit/thrown against a wall, and the today's society is too easy on kids, try to remember that for generations, kids were spanked at home and strapped and beaten in schools and the world still had robbery, extortion, raping, murder and spitting on the sidewalk. The days of hard discipline on children didn't give us a better society...

Oh right, I forgot about the time we could leave our front doors open and go to the shop without fear of being robbed. Yes crime existed but no where near to the extent it does today. Crime is rising faster and faster by the month.

Crime is dropping in my city, and has been for years, and we're way more politically correct and against physically disciplining a child than anywhere in the USA. It is illegal to strike/spank a child here. Crime is dropping.

You're falling into the trap of creating an immovable position in your head and then searching for any rationalization to defend it. I can't stop you, and I'm sure you'll keep going. But there's no evidence you're correct.

 

[Deckerd]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

Any parent hitting a 16 year-old as a form of discipline has missed the boat.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

Using violence of children can harm them.

I was belted as a child and I came to accept violence towards me as being normal. Therefore when I married a violent man I accepted that violence as being normal too - afterall it wasn't that much different to what my mother did to me.

Of my three sons only the eldest was disciplined with violence (by his father not ny me). He is the only of my children that has turned out to have problems as an adult. He has been violent towards others including towards women.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

There is definitely something very creepy in a vaguely sexual way about a father putting your SIXTEEN YEAR OLD daughter over your knee and spanking her. Sorry but once you've reached that age of sexual blossoming, usually, what, 13, 14? After that, it just becomes sick. Sorry but no.

 

[hamudm]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

"White people... beat your kids."

All joking aside though, it's because I got beaten as a kid that I'm not a little shit today. I hated it then, but I thank my parents everyday for smacking me around... and no, I don't have anger issues now

Every time I see a child screaming at their parents or kicking their shins, I see a kid that needs to get a good hard slap.

That having been said, spanking your 16 y/o daughter on the bum, is kinda gross... Whatever happened to cold cocking your kid with a good ol' right cross?

 

[sidious618]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

This is one seriously wacky situation. I've a feeling that this is probably not the first time for the father, either. I'm thankful that my parents had the intelligence not to hit me and to treat me in a different way that resulted in even better results. Sometimes I forget how thankful I should be to them.

 

[Cicero]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

All joking aside though, it's because I got beaten as a kid that I'm not a little shit today. I hated it then, but I thank my parents everyday for smacking me around... and no, I don't have anger issues now

Every time I see a child screaming at their parents or kicking their shins, I see a kid that needs to get a good hard slap.

That having been said, spanking your 16 y/o daughter on the bum, is kinda gross... Whatever happened to cold cocking your kid with a good ol' right cross?

My sister and I have turned out decently, and neither we nor my mother (a very successful US military officer) were ever struck as children. There are very effective forms of punishment that don't involve violence.

 

[An Officer]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

I don't think I got hit beyond the age of 9 or so, thank god.

I think the hits were a little more frequent when my mother was going through a bad patch for a couple of years (slaps across the head and torso usually)... say between the ages of 8 to 10. I used to get hit with soft tree branches before then (they made the skin tear and swell). I only remember that happening 3 or 4 times though. I most definitely did not deserve it, one time it was because I had apparantly lost my watch (it turned out a cousin had stolen and hidden it)... the smacks usually came only because my mother wanted to show her relatives that she does discipline me the way they discipline their own.

After about the age of 10, I think my mother wisened up that she was doing more harm than good, as I was beginning to show signs of a violent temper at school... so she stopped. It may have been a little to late, as it took me until my teens to learn to control my temper.

Still, she did the best job she knew how to do, and you can't ask more than that. It seems to me she tried to improve on her own upbringing - she was regularly hit with broomsticks or kicked as a child, both by her older siblings, as well as her dad. Thankfully, she didn't repeat the cycle. The damage to me was also not long term, I can't say the same for my mother.

I am strongly against corpral punishment for children, it only teaches them cruelty.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

I was belted as a child and I came to accept violence towards me as being normal. Therefore when I married a violent man I accepted that violence as being normal too - afterall it wasn't that much different to what my mother did to me.

and the problem here is clear. You are painting all parents with the same brush. You had a bad experience with one of your parents who went too far and over the top when it came to disciplining you and now you're under the false impression that all kids who are disciplined go through the same kind of thing when they don't. I got the slipper now and again or a crack from my mother. It taught me to behave but didn't make me resent them, maybe if they beat me senseless then i'd hate them but that's not what happened.
Just try and realise not all parents or methods of discipline are as excessive as what you probably went through.

 

[Aragorn]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

If parents would discipline their children, no matter what their age, most of them would not grow up acting like jackasses. My son is 21 with a child of his own, but he respects me...something most kids have no concept of.

There's only so much parents can do, which is why I don't like places that punish the parents for the actions of their children. You could be a straight A student with manners who is respectful to family members, but the second you get that drivers license or go off to college, things could change. Same thing with unruly hellraising kids who one day decide to get their act together.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Re: 16-year-old girl arrested for punching dad who tried to spank her

said by Tachyon Sheild
and the problem here is clear. You are painting all parents with the same brush. You had a bad experience with one of your parents who went too far and over the top when it came to disciplining you and now you're under the false impression that all kids who are disciplined go through the same kind of thing when they don't. I got the slipper now and again or a crack from my mother. It taught me to behave but didn't make me resent them, maybe if they beat me senseless then i'd hate them but that's not what happened.
Just try and realise not all parents or methods of discipline are as excessive as what you probably went through.

How do you know that this girl father wasn't the sort to go over the top when it came to discipline. I think spanking your daughter at 16 is way over the top. I don't think that my mother physically hit me once I was in highschool (she had turned to serious verbal abuse instead by then).

I was able to make both my two youngest sons behave without resorting to any form of physical violence. The only son that had problems was my eldest who was physically abused by his father. His father left when my eldest was 6 1/2 but my son had developed violent tendencies before then.

said by An Officer
I most definitely did not deserve it, one time it was because I had apparantly lost my watch (it turned out a cousin had stolen and hidden it)... the smacks usually came only because my mother wanted to show her relatives that she does discipline me the way they discipline their own.

I got belted one Christmas Day because I complained to my brother had broken the little pocket clock I got as a prersent. The clock was in my room and he went in and overwound it. My belting was because "I let him do it".

We used to also get slaps for having too more than one hankie in our pockets andfor biting our nails (I still bite my nails). My mother used to make us hold up our dresses so that our grandmother, i.e. my father's mother, could see our bruises. My grandmother totally disapprove of physical punishment and raised both my father and his brother without it. They both turned out to be fine, upstanding citizens.