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Trailer Reaction...authors?

What's amazing me in some of the other threads is people whining about the opening with the car--yet nobody's commenting on the blatant "Red Barchetta" reference!
 
The fact that it's an old-style gas-burning car in the future? I hadn't thought about it in that context, but I can certainly go with it. :)
 
I don't see how Kirk driving a car is any different than, say, those Amish guys a few towns over driving a horse and buggy.

Some people like using anachronistic technology.
 
Or people who still like to sail old-time sailing vessels. Or play with black-powder rifles and such.

Maybe Kirk's parents belong to the Society for Automotive Anachronism?
 
I feel bad for the authors, because when "canon" gets changed in this movie, it's gonna be your job to write a novel to make it all conform to the Trek we already know! :lol:

That's happened many times before in Trek. For instance, read To Reign in Hell to see how Greg Cox dealt with the numerous "canon" contradictions between "Space Seed" and The Wrath of Khan. Or read my Greater than the Sum to see how I dealt with the contradictions between TNG Borg and First Contact/Voyager Borg. The Trek universe is full of numerous large contradictions and always has been. Canon has never been a consistent whole, it just pretends to be. So reconciling contradictory claims is nothing new for us authors, and in fact it's been the basis for a lot of imaginative storytelling. So there's no reason to feel bad for us. This just gives us more material to play with.

It just seems to get dicey when writing prequels rather than sequels especially in light of Gene Roddenberry's infamous "canon" memo and an entire television series is labelled apocryphal.

From the trailer, it appears that the Enterprise is a brand new ship and that Christopher Pike is her first captain. So what happens to the characters of Robert and Sarah April, that Robert was the first captain, or their five years aboard the Enterprise as stated in the animated series episode "The Counter-Clock Incident"? Is this just dismissed as apocryphal?
 
I don't see how Kirk driving a car is any different than, say, those Amish guys a few towns over driving a horse and buggy.

Some people like using anachronistic technology.

Ok, one of those canon things... I thought that in "A Piece of the Action" Kirk wasn't too familiar with driving a car. Maybe because it was a car with a clutch?
 
I don't see how Kirk driving a car is any different than, say, those Amish guys a few towns over driving a horse and buggy.

Some people like using anachronistic technology.

Ok, one of those canon things... I thought that in "A Piece of the Action" Kirk wasn't too familiar with driving a car. Maybe because it was a car with a clutch?
Actually that has been one of the big canon complaints, because the trailer does show Kirk shifting. (pan down the page to 4th picture).
 
I don't see how Kirk driving a car is any different than, say, those Amish guys a few towns over driving a horse and buggy.

Some people like using anachronistic technology.

Ok, one of those canon things... I thought that in "A Piece of the Action" Kirk wasn't too familiar with driving a car. Maybe because it was a car with a clutch?
Actually that has been one of the big canon complaints, because the trailer does show Kirk shifting. (pan down the page to 4th picture).

Wow. You want to talk about a really frickin' petty canon problem?

Who cares? You can just say that Kirk hasn't driven stick shift in a long time as of "A Piece of the Action" if it bothers you that much. Are we going to worry about why Cadet Picard in NEM has no hair whilst Ensign Picard in "Tapestry" does, too?
 
My problem with the car sequence isn't that Kirk's driving a car - it's that there is a car chase in a Star Trek movie and the vehicle is a traditional four wheeled car, not a flying one! I want my flying car, dammit!
 
It just seems to get dicey when writing prequels rather than sequels especially in light of Gene Roddenberry's infamous "canon" memo and an entire television series is labelled apocryphal.

Roddenberry's canon memo was the exception, not the rule. There's no reason to expect any other TV/film producer or studio licensing department to emulate its approach.

From the trailer, it appears that the Enterprise is a brand new ship and that Christopher Pike is her first captain. So what happens to the characters of Robert and Sarah April, that Robert was the first captain, or their five years aboard the Enterprise as stated in the animated series episode "The Counter-Clock Incident"? Is this just dismissed as apocryphal?

Well, "The Alternative Factor" said a matter-antimatter reaction would destroy the universe. That's clearly been rendered apocryphal. "Threshold" said going to transwarp would turn you into a lizard, and the guy who wrote that episode considers it apocryphal. Lt. Leslie died onscreen in "Obsession" but he was back to normal in the very next episode and dozens more, so apparently his death was apocryphal. ST has never had a uniform, perfectly consistent continuity. There are some HUGE contradictions in there. But we accept them, rationalize them, or just ignore them, and we move on.

If Robert April's stint as Enterprise captain is removed from Trek continuity, that only affects one animated episode, and it wouldn't be the first time an animated episode has been contradicted. ("The Magicks of Megas-tu," like ST V, put the center of the galaxy in easy reach, but VGR's premise of a galactic crossing taking generations directly contradicts that. And it's next to impossible to fit "The Slaver Weapon"'s Kzinti wars into Trek continuity as we now know it.)


Ok, one of those canon things... I thought that in "A Piece of the Action" Kirk wasn't too familiar with driving a car. Maybe because it was a car with a clutch?

Maybe Kirk was just pretending he didn't know how to drive a stick, because he was hiding his delinquent past. :D


My problem with the car sequence isn't that Kirk's driving a car - it's that there is a car chase in a Star Trek movie and the vehicle is a traditional four wheeled car, not a flying one! I want my flying car, dammit!

Well, the policeman chasing teen Kirk is on a hovercycle.
 
Ok, one of those canon things... I thought that in "A Piece of the Action" Kirk wasn't too familiar with driving a car. Maybe because it was a car with a clutch?
Actually that has been one of the big canon complaints, because the trailer does show Kirk shifting. (pan down the page to 4th picture).

Wow. You want to talk about a really frickin' petty canon problem?

Who cares? You can just say that Kirk hasn't driven stick shift in a long time as of "A Piece of the Action" if it bothers you that much. Are we going to worry about why Cadet Picard in NEM has no hair whilst Ensign Picard in "Tapestry" does, too?
Hey, I don't care either way. I just thought I'd mention the debate since she brought the topic up. I'm really not that concerned with wheter or not the movie viloates canon, as long as it's good.
 
^ First, keep in mind that the clutch and shifter on a Corvette Stingray are very different from those on a 1920s-era Ford. Add to that the possibility that the Iotians mimicked perfectly the form but not necessarily the function of the vehicle. Maybe what threw the older Kirk off was that the "action" on that car's clutch was wrong. And, of course, it had also been more than 20 years since he'd driven stick....
 
^ First, keep in mind that the clutch and shifter on a Corvette Stingray are very different from those on a 1920s-era Ford. Add to that the possibility that the Iotians mimicked perfectly the form but not necessarily the function of the vehicle. Maybe what threw the older Kirk off was that the "action" on that car's clutch was wrong. And, of course, it had also been more than 20 years since he'd driven stick....

You forgot the "Woooooooooooo!" in there.
 
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