4 Clip descriptions from Empire *Spoiler heavy*

[trevanian]

Speak for yourself, Spanky.

So you are registering your disgust by not going to see it? very principled of you.

Make no mistake, he'll go see it - if only to register his disgust throughout the world. In the end, Star Trek will have made an extra 8-10 Dollars.

Did you pull that mystic divining rod out of your shoulder holster or your ass?

Actually, a lot of people who don't like something and say so don't go see it in the theater.

I didn't see Ep2 till it was 2for1 night on dvd, and even then I had to fastforward through tons of it.

I didn't see CASINO ROYALE till it was on DVD, and only then because I lost a bet. And you know what? It wasn't anything like what I thought ... it wasn't a good movie suffering with terrible casting, it was a terrible movie suffering with terrible casting.

I don't like what I've seen or heard about this new trek movie, except that the composer might do well. I'll still monitor to find out more about it, but unless I get an assignment to write about it, there's probably no chance I'll see STXI in the theater either.

 

[Corran Horn]

after reading abrams script for superman this doesnt surprise me! i was looking forward to this movie. now i dont think i even want to see it!

Then don't. Heaven forbid people actually see a movie before deciding it's horrible.

sorry, it just doesnt sound very good! great action does not a great film make. kirk grabbing uhuras breasts???? sorry , thats just comedy for comedys sake.somewhere in the hereafter gene roddenberry is doing a facepalm.

Only because Gene probably really *did* grab Uhura's breasts. And more than once.

 

[ancient]

sorry, it just doesnt sound very good! great action does not a great film make. kirk grabbing uhuras breasts???? sorry , thats just comedy for comedys sake.somewhere in the hereafter gene roddenberry is doing a facepalm.

Totally unprecedented. Next they'll be talking about them firming up.
Don't they know we don't care about such things in this day and age?

Well, maybe Trek's grande tradition of unfunnyness will be preserved intact...

Only because Gene probably really *did* grab Uhura's breasts.

Gene liked to 'edit' the costumes of the actresses. Though some would call it abridging.

 

[James Bond]

So you are registering your disgust by not going to see it? very principled of you.

Make no mistake, he'll go see it - if only to register his disgust throughout the world. In the end, Star Trek will have made an extra 8-10 Dollars.

Did you pull that mystic divining rod out of your shoulder holster or your ass?

It definitely came from somewhere better than your little piece of trash magazine.

Actually, a lot of people who don't like something and say so don't go see it in the theater.

OMGNofuckingway!?!

I didn't see Ep2 till it was 2for1 night on dvd, and even then I had to fastforward through tons of it.

I didn't see CASINO ROYALE till it was on DVD, and only then because I lost a bet. And you know what? It wasn't anything like what I thought ... it wasn't a good movie suffering with terrible casting, it was a terrible movie suffering with terrible casting.

Good for you. Do you want a medal or something?

I don't like what I've seen or heard about this new trek movie, except that the composer might do well. I'll still monitor to find out more about it, but unless I get an assignment to write about it, there's probably no chance I'll see STXI in the theater either.

So don't.
Either way, shut the fuck up about it.

 

[trevanian]

Make no mistake, he'll go see it - if only to register his disgust throughout the world. In the end, Star Trek will have made an extra 8-10 Dollars.

Did you pull that mystic divining rod out of your shoulder holster or your ass?

It definitely came from somewhere better than your little piece of trash magazine.


OMGNofuckingway!?!

I didn't see Ep2 till it was 2for1 night on dvd, and even then I had to fastforward through tons of it.

I didn't see CASINO ROYALE till it was on DVD, and only then because I lost a bet. And you know what? It wasn't anything like what I thought ... it wasn't a good movie suffering with terrible casting, it was a terrible movie suffering with terrible casting.

Good for you. Do you want a medal or something?

I don't like what I've seen or heard about this new trek movie, except that the composer might do well. I'll still monitor to find out more about it, but unless I get an assignment to write about it, there's probably no chance I'll see STXI in the theater either.

So don't.
Either way, shut the fuck up about it.

A little hot under the collar, are ya? Don't like it when somebody actually calls you on your highhanded crap. And you weren't even talking about me. Oh dear.

And which 'piece of trash' mag are you referring to, International Cinematographers Guild or HD VIDEO PRO?

And of course you didn't answer the question about where you divined this.

Bitch, don't communicate, is that your motto? Or maybe CRY ANOTHER DAY?

 

[M'Sharak]

We're wandering from the topic just a bit, here, don't you think?

 

[trekkerguy]

Mmh. I must say, after reading the spoilers I'm quite skeptical. Not so much because of the canon violations but because of the scenes as they were described. A lot of it sounds rather clichéd, like Kirk being the super talented outcast or getting into conflict with an uptight guy who later becomes his friend (Spock). I mean Kirk even has a motor bike like all the bad, cool guys do. The comedy parts sound really goofy, too.
I'm still going to see it, of course, but I'm not as enthusiastic as I was when I first saw the teaser trailer.

So in other words; ahem... the story of Kirk?

 

[Johnny]

*SPOILERS* XI: Can I give my spin on what I think's gonna happen...?

Alright, someone's gonna have to tell me if I've missed something here...but I really want this film to come out a certain way...

So as far as I know, some wierd romulan (with remarkably large ears) has killed off Kirks dad (I'm guessing thats the Kelvin bit?), so Kirk ends up a drunk and a git. All the crew are in different places in their lives, but somehow manage to come together and sort it all out. Everything's different from this point on, the bridge, the ships, costumes, consoles, Uhura doesn't have an Afro, etc.

I'm just hoping that when Kirk et al sort it out at the end of the film, that last shot we're gonna see when the time line's fixed, is a long shot of the TOS-Ent (as it was!).

I can deal with 0514 instead of 514, I just put that down to JJ looking quite deep in the history but missing bits and pieces. Like all of his other films I don't think it's something you can predict, because invariably it's never what you expect.

Think it's a possibility, or have I missed something vital?

 

[JuanBolio]

Re: *SPOILERS* XI: Can I give my spin on what I think's gonna happen..

I think Nero is after Spock/Vulcan more than Kirk. Remember, there are prequel comics coming out dealing with Spock on Romulus in the 24th century, probably still working toward Romulan/Vulcan peaceful reunification. I'm guessing he's all but succeeded, and Nero and his renegade gang use a slingshot maneuver to go back in time and stop him. The USS Kelvin and Kirk's dad just happen to be orbiting the same star in the 23rd century when Nero pops out, and get pasted for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: *SPOILERS* XI: Can I give my spin on what I think's gonna happen..

Alright, someone's gonna have to tell me if I've missed something here...but I really want this film to come out a certain way...

[...]

Think it's a possibility, or have I missed something vital?

Probably the best way to get those answers and to see those questions discussed is to join the thread where all that's been being discussed since early yesterday. I'll just merge this with that one... 3... 2... Uhura with an Afro?

 

[btflash]

Then don't. Heaven forbid people actually see a movie before deciding it's horrible.

sorry, it just doesnt sound very good! great action does not a great film make. kirk grabbing uhuras breasts???? sorry , thats just comedy for comedys sake.somewhere in the hereafter gene roddenberry is doing a facepalm.

Only because Gene probably really *did* grab Uhura's breasts. And more than once.

that much is true.

 

[Trevacious]

Surly Sulu and his thugboys used to beat on young Kirk? Takei will be pleased, I suppose.

 

[Timo]

Purely from the continuity point of view, there would seem to be just two problems in these clips for those of us who want to believe that all Trek takes place in the same universe.

The big one is the early direct contact with Romulans, and between Romulans and Kirk to boot. But if this story is all about resetting the timeline in that particular regard anyway, then fine.

The other one, not readily explained by the villain mucking up the timeline, is that Kirk appears to be as young as or younger than the supporting cast. Even Chekov seems to have gotten his commission before Kirk! That's not just a continuity problem for the supposed unified Star Trek universe, that's a conundrum regarding the premise of the movie itself. How can there be a Captain Kirk in command of people his senior in this movie?

Nothing else in the clips would seem to jar with the established timeline - except perhaps the idea that Kirk rides a hovercycle from an Iowan bar to the construction site of the Big E. Either the clip clips some passage of time there, or then the rather iconic "built in San Fran" idea has been dropped for no good reason. But that's just a potential problem, not a confirmed one. Even Kirk's "altered" backstory seems to work out fine, save for the teeny weeny problem of him being way too young.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ROBE]

I presume in the original timeline (lets call it Shatnerverse) Kirk joined Starfleet as quick as he could having been raised by a good role model father, while in this timeline (lets call it Pineline) he doesn't joint to later having been raised by a no hope uncle. How does he end up in command of everyone else? Come on it is hardly science fiction for the new guy to leap past old guys on the promotion lader.

 

[BillJ]

I presume in the original timeline (lets call it Shatnerverse) Kirk joined Starfleet as quick as he could having been raised by a good role model father, while in this timeline (lets call it Pineline) he doesn't joint to later having been raised by a no hope uncle. How does he end up in command of everyone else? Come on it is hardly science fiction for the new guy to leap past old guys on the promotion lader.

Pineline is good but I prefer Pinto Trek.

 

[Count Zero]

Mmh. I must say, after reading the spoilers I'm quite skeptical. Not so much because of the canon violations but because of the scenes as they were described. A lot of it sounds rather clichéd, like Kirk being the super talented outcast or getting into conflict with an uptight guy who later becomes his friend (Spock). I mean Kirk even has a motor bike like all the bad, cool guys do. The comedy parts sound really goofy, too.
I'm still going to see it, of course, but I'm not as enthusiastic as I was when I first saw the teaser trailer.

So in other words; ahem... the story of Kirk?

I don't quite follow you here. Maybe you could elaborate?
We know very little about Kirk's background in original canon but he's certainly not painted as an outcast. He's even described as having been a kind of book worm and tough instructor in his Academy days ("in his class you either think or sink"). All in all he's always depicted as an exceptional, somewhat unconventional (his tinkering with the Kobayashi Maru sim) officer who's always excelled during his career. Then there's his childhood trauma, narrowly escaping Kodos the Executioner, which might have been his motivation to join Starfleet. It seems much more interesting, yet more realistic than what we might get now with the new film.
I always liked the fact that the TOS characters were of different ages, with a different back story before coming aboard the Enterprise, even if that wasn't really elaborated on. I find it hard to believe that Starfleet would hand over his flag ship to a bunch of people just graduated from the Academy as command crew.
That said, one shouldn't judge a film by the description of some clips from it. That's why I said I'm sill going to see it. However, I'm not thrilled by what we've heard so far.

 

[Timo]

I don't see any contradiction between "outcast" and "bookworm", really.

And the incident at Tarsus, while perhaps formative, need not have been all that central to Kirk's life. He sort of shrugs it off in "Conscience of the King", after all. If he's this James Dean type, he probably travels a lot in his youth, getting into all sorts of trouble.

Agreed, though, that the basic premise of "TOS heroes at the Academy" has always been faulty, and remains so for this movie.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Count Zero]

I don't see any contradiction between "outcast" and "bookworm", really.

Well, if you define it as social outcast (although I'd assume it wouldn't be that way in an academic setting like the Academy). But to me, bad-ass drop-out who gets into bar fights and rides a motor bike kind of contradicts Kirk's earlier background story.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

I don't see any contradiction between "outcast" and "bookworm", really.

Well, if you define it as social outcast (although I'd assume it wouldn't be that way in an academic setting like the Academy). But to me, bad-ass drop-out who gets into bar fights and rides a motor bike kind of contradicts Kirk's earlier background story.

Which part of his earlier story?

 

[archeryguy1701]

Re: *SPOILERS* XI: Can I give my spin on what I think's gonna happen..

I'm just hoping that when Kirk et al sort it out at the end of the film, that last shot we're gonna see when the time line's fixed, is a long shot of the TOS-Ent (as it was!).

Meh, the only thing I like less than a movie/ episode pushing the rest button is a movie/ episode pushing a reset button when it isn't really needed. And to be honest, that would kind of be silly for Abrams to give his view and his imagining of a 40+ year old show, only to include a throw in scene of everything returned to "normal" because some of the fans don't want his image of the future to be the new norm (and that's really all it would be: pleasing some of the fans). I think it would be nothing more than a cop out on Abrams' part to include the final scene you're describing, IMHO.