What a bizarre definition of what Star Trek is you have. So it's not about the characters or the stories, it's all about what the sets look like?
The bridge shots (large images)
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What a bizarre definition of what Star Trek is you have. So it's not about the characters or the stories, it's all about what the sets look like?
Well, I don't care whether it's what you call "Star Trek" or not. As long as it's what I consider to be "Star Trek" I'm okay with it.
AFAIK (just anecdotal evidence) anybody with an advanced degree gets LJG and just has to go to knife and fork school.
Re: The bridge shots
+ 5
I like them. I like the two layered re-deisgn, makes it more a real functional uniform than a velour pull-over.
I also like the way they have kept the departmental logos in the center of the delta, and also, turned it into a more practical metalic badge/pin.
Much like the deltas were in The Cage, they were seperate items that were obviously placed on rather than on sewn permantly in the regular show, and they were smaller. However, the fine delta detail has grown on me, but im sure, like Superman Returns, that they on film they will not be so prominant, especially after post production and proper studio lighting.
+ 5
I like them. I like the two layered re-deisgn, makes it more a real functional uniform than a velour pull-over.
I also like the way they have kept the departmental logos in the center of the delta, and also, turned it into a more practical metalic badge/pin.
Much like the deltas were in The Cage, they were seperate items that were obviously placed on rather than on sewn permantly in the regular show, and they were smaller. However, the fine delta detail has grown on me, but im sure, like Superman Returns, that they on film they will not be so prominant, especially after post production and proper studio lighting.
Exactly. A bridge redesign that has some screaming REBOOT! when by all indications the story is definitely NOT, is too much geeky drama queenery for me.
This is why some make fun of Trek fans.
number6
Vice Admiral
Re: The bridge shots
I don't think this new set is a lampoon of anything.
I'm on the fence because it's really hard to tell what to think from these shots. I'd love to see it in context and see the whole thing "in action." I can't decide whether I like it or not from these two pictures. That's what I mean by on the fence.
I didn't say that. I just meant that I'm not sure I like it or not. I thought the GQ set was kinda cool, but not very functional. Same with the LiS remake.
I don't think this new set is a lampoon of anything.
I'm on the fence because it's really hard to tell what to think from these shots. I'd love to see it in context and see the whole thing "in action." I can't decide whether I like it or not from these two pictures. That's what I mean by on the fence.
Re: The bridge shots
There are elements of this new set which are undeniably objectionable from my perspective... as are the silly little chevrons on the fabric. But ultimately those don't matter. And I'd be stunned if, given a sequel which may come along eventually, some (if not most) of this didn't get revisited and redefined yet again.
So, we get a bridge that's vaguely similar to the original... just enough to allow the action to take place. And it's the action which is important. Next time around, they'll have someone else working on sets and we'll likely see yet another bridge, and somewhat altered costuming.
The likelihood of a change is even greater if you consider that we're seeing Kirk in "Academy wear" at the same time that we see McCoy in "TOS-era" rank stripes. It seems obvious to me that we're not seeing something set in the TOS-era "reality" we already know, so this is some form of "alternate reality." Very likely this is the altered reality caused by the involvement of Shinzon Mk II... er, I mean "Nero."
So the real question comes down to this... will this movie leave us with the "altered reality" or will it leave us with the "reality we remember?" I'm very hopeful that we'll get returned to the world we've known for 43 years at the end of the film.
(FYI, in Trekkian terms, they've often redressed sets with free-standing bits and pieces, including plexiglass panels, and with different paint schemes, to reflect altered realities or other ships. The presence of the "yeoman's console" and the funky plexiglass garbage and so forth definitely reminds me of that approach... a quick-and-dirty way to make one set seem like something else, while not requiring dramatic rebuilding.)
The most important thing to remember here is that while the production design for this movie may or may not be terrific, its not what's going to make for a successful or unsuccessful movie (which, as far as I'm concerned, translates to "a good or a bad movie").
There are elements of this new set which are undeniably objectionable from my perspective... as are the silly little chevrons on the fabric. But ultimately those don't matter. And I'd be stunned if, given a sequel which may come along eventually, some (if not most) of this didn't get revisited and redefined yet again.
So, we get a bridge that's vaguely similar to the original... just enough to allow the action to take place. And it's the action which is important. Next time around, they'll have someone else working on sets and we'll likely see yet another bridge, and somewhat altered costuming.
The likelihood of a change is even greater if you consider that we're seeing Kirk in "Academy wear" at the same time that we see McCoy in "TOS-era" rank stripes. It seems obvious to me that we're not seeing something set in the TOS-era "reality" we already know, so this is some form of "alternate reality." Very likely this is the altered reality caused by the involvement of Shinzon Mk II... er, I mean "Nero."
So the real question comes down to this... will this movie leave us with the "altered reality" or will it leave us with the "reality we remember?" I'm very hopeful that we'll get returned to the world we've known for 43 years at the end of the film.
(FYI, in Trekkian terms, they've often redressed sets with free-standing bits and pieces, including plexiglass panels, and with different paint schemes, to reflect altered realities or other ships. The presence of the "yeoman's console" and the funky plexiglass garbage and so forth definitely reminds me of that approach... a quick-and-dirty way to make one set seem like something else, while not requiring dramatic rebuilding.)
He's not "trying to wind people up" and I REALLY REALLY wish you'd stop assuming you know what people's motivations "really" are.
He's stating his viewpoint. There's no justification for you to claim to know his "real motivations" and it's entirely inappropriate for you (as a supposed "moderator") to do so. As I've noted before, a moderator is by definition required to be impartial in the performance of his or her duties. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be a moderator.
I think CRA's being a bit more "dramatic" than I'd be... my decision on whether or not this movie is worthwhile isn't going to be based upon the silly design decisions being made (which can and probably will be changed again if another flick is made, though whether for better or worse is another matter entirely).
But his opinion is simply HIS OPINION, and I respect it as such. And hell, I'm not a moderator so I'm not REQUIRED to do so. You are, and so you are.
Re: The bridge shots
QFT. Remember the shuttle spy shots, JJ with his laptop? Those show a more expected & faithful updating, light years away from this bridge we are seeing now. The idea alterations in time are occurring is a totally logical conclusion based on the larger scope of all we have been shown so far. This bridge shot was chosen for release to generate the buzz it is generating. It is a shot of the bridge but not the only bridge we will eventually see.
The likelihood of a change is even greater if you consider that we're seeing Kirk in "Academy wear" at the same time that we see McCoy in "TOS-era" rank stripes. It seems obvious to me that we're not seeing something set in the TOS-era "reality" we already know, so this is some form of "alternate reality." Very likely this is the altered reality caused by the involvement of Shinzon Mk II... er, I mean "Nero."
So the real question comes down to this... will this movie leave us with the "altered reality" or will it leave us with the "reality we remember?" I'm very hopeful that we'll get returned to the world we've known for 43 years at the end of the film.
QFT. Remember the shuttle spy shots, JJ with his laptop? Those show a more expected & faithful updating, light years away from this bridge we are seeing now. The idea alterations in time are occurring is a totally logical conclusion based on the larger scope of all we have been shown so far. This bridge shot was chosen for release to generate the buzz it is generating. It is a shot of the bridge but not the only bridge we will eventually see.
Actually I could give a rats ass if he states his opinion, but there's no reason to do it in the insulting manner he does. I give back what I get, there is no honor in coddling people who are being children, and it's always a good day to die...
I don't look for friends on bbs' I look for intelligent debate and when someone is being mean I'll be mean back...
Remember I never asked you to like me no did I?
Really, the whole "you people are hopeless and gullible" stance wore thin...almost immediately.
number6
Vice Admiral
Agreed. CRA is contributing absolutely nothing to this discussion and his intentions by coming here are fairly obvious. This is a guy who still gets insanely heated when someone brings up the rotation offset of the TOS bridge and insists that his opinion is the only one. Frankly why should I care about such a narrow view of the world?Actually I could give a rats ass if he states his opinion, but there's no reason to do it in the insulting manner he does. I give back what I get, there is no honor in coddling people who are being children, and it's always a good day to die...
I don't look for friends on bbs' I look for intelligent debate and when someone is being mean I'll be mean back...
Remember I never asked you to like me no did I?
I'm not going to "armchair Mod" like others seem to insist it's their right to do, but it's not up to someone else to decide for me what someone's obvious motivations are. I can certainly see that for myself with every "contribution" of posters like CRA and MattJC who clearly need to find a new hobby. It's beyond pathetic.
Well, actually I LIKE people who say what they think... and I despise people who try to shut other people down in underhanded ways. Please note that I didn't reply to YOU (I don't think you're out of line at all, any more than I think CRA is). The only issue I had with this was with yet another example of a "moderator" becoming "immoderate"... a far too common occurrence on this BBS, sad to say.Actually I could give a rats ass if he states his opinion, but there's no reason to do it in the insulting manner he does. I give back what I get, there is no honor in coddling people who are being children, and it's always a good day to die...
I don't look for friends on bbs' I look for intelligent debate and when someone is being mean I'll be mean back...
Remember I never asked you to like me no did I?
A
Amaris
Guest
So Star Trek The Motion Picture wasn't Star Trek?
Star Trek II?
Star Trek III?
Star Trek IV?
Star Trek V?
Star Trek VI?
Every Bridge was different.
Hell, in Star Trek VI, Sulu's on the Excelsior, what a slap in the face!
It was interesting to learn that for you, Star Trek is defined by what the bridge of the Enterprise looks like.
Man, you are so right. I can't believe they gave Rick Berman and Brannon Braga another chance to direct and write a new Star Trek movie.
J.
I'm reminded of Harrison Ford's appearance on Conan Obrien
http://www.hulu.com/watch/20917/late-night-with-conan-obrien-jordan-quizzes-harrison-ford-52108
I believe it is right here:
The likelihood of a change is even greater if you consider that we're seeing Kirk in "Academy wear" at the same time that we see McCoy in "TOS-era" rank stripes. It seems obvious to me that we're not seeing something set in the TOS-era "reality" we already know, so this is some form of "alternate reality." Very likely this is the altered reality caused by the involvement of Shinzon Mk II... er, I mean "Nero."
So the real question comes down to this... will this movie leave us with the "altered reality" or will it leave us with the "reality we remember?" I'm very hopeful that we'll get returned to the world we've known for 43 years at the end of the film.
Actually, look carefully over at the Environmental station on the Bridge image and compare it with the "J.J. at his laptop" image.
Same set.
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Amaris
Guest
Where is this J.J. laptop image? I'd like to see that too, just out of curiosity.
J.
