Who was longest serving ensign in starfleet
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Isn't it a tie between Mayweather and Hoshi Sato? As I remember, they both were still ensigns in the horrendous ENT finale, These Are The Voyages, while Reed was still a full lieutenant. They should've been at least full lieutenants after 10 years, and Reed should've made lieutenant commander. -- RR
It helps if you consider what that episode "really" was (according to the novels):
It was not accurate; the holo program was altered by Section 31. The 'real' events of that episode did not take place 10 years later, but rather in the present.
Go ahead, *try* to tell me you don't think that was an improvement over what we saw onscreen. I dare you.
I vote Travis and Hoshi as well. I was surprised to see after ten years they were still at the rank of Ensign. The only way I thought they could remain at that rank is if they refused a promotion but I don't see why either one would.
What about poor Harry Kim? The guy doesn't even get cut any slack in 'Endgame'. Everyone should have got promotions when they got home from the Delta Quadrant. Mind you, we have no idea what happened to those lot after the final minutes of Endgame.
Kim is probably a close second, I am not Spock. But the evidence seems to fall on Mayweather and Sato being at ensign for 10 years vs. Kim's seven. Unfortunately, Babaganoosh, the morsel you posted from a novel isn't canon. Nice to consider, and yes, definitely better than TATV, but what counts is onscreen. -- RR, slave to canon
When we got to see Admiral Janeway's now alternate future, did we get to see/hear what Harry Kim was up to? It's possible that he could have stayed as an ensign for 20+ years.
No, we saw Harry. He was a captain and it was his ship that intercepted Admiral Janeway's super shuttle before she made the time warp back.
So, if we figure that Harry got promoted right after Voyager returned, how long did it take him to make CAPT from LTjg? How far in the future was Endgame?
I literally don't understand why B&B and co could alter the uniforms, bridge dressing and whatnot in TATV, but not make Hoshi & Travis Lts.
Seriously, what was the big deal?! Its just stupid, at least Harry Kim had that (albeit lame) excuse of it only being a field promotion in the Delta Quadrant. But this was just retarded
Seriously, what was the big deal?! Its just stupid, at least Harry Kim had that (albeit lame) excuse of it only being a field promotion in the Delta Quadrant. But this was just retarded
Which is very silly really - in the real-life Royal Navy promotions for officers up to about Lt. Cmdr are usually reasonably automatic based on seniority, and if you really are not good enough you will be encouraged to leave the service rather than rot in the lower ranks with kids half your age.
It is hard to imagine Starfleet as any different. In reality the crew of the enterprise hold surprisingly junior ranks but very senior positions. Also Geordi went like a rocket form Lt. (jg) to Lt. Cmdr. and Worf managed the more realistic 6 years as a full Lt before getting his half-pip.
Giving Troi three full pips was a bit daft though. If you can have three pips and not cause issues surely Data was long overdue a third pip?
Why expect Starfleet promotion policies to be like those of our own time? Current policies aren't anything like how the Royal Navy did things in the Napoleonic era, and we're a lot closer in time to Napoleon than we are to Picard.
Actually, a career track like the alternate Picard's was quite common in the pre-modern Royal Navy. To get past lieutenant required either influence or distinction.
Sure, alternate Picard would have been working alongside kids. But would this be a problem in his culture?
Actually, a career track like the alternate Picard's was quite common in the pre-modern Royal Navy. To get past lieutenant required either influence or distinction.
Sure, alternate Picard would have been working alongside kids. But would this be a problem in his culture?
How long was Tuvok an ensign?
For a nice list of ensigns, go here:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_ensigns
For a nice list of ensigns, go here:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_ensigns
In the various alternate timelines seen in Voyager wasn't Harry still an Ensign in all the future ones even the one where in Endgame where it originally took Voyager another 17 years to get home? Would he have been an Ensign in all that time till they got home?
In saying that though the one alternate timeline where Voyager is split between multiple timelines and also the one where Kes goes back through time I think we do actually see Kim at at least full Lieutenant but the other episodes I think could indicate Harry as still an Ensign.
In saying that though the one alternate timeline where Voyager is split between multiple timelines and also the one where Kes goes back through time I think we do actually see Kim at at least full Lieutenant but the other episodes I think could indicate Harry as still an Ensign.
In the future of "Endgame," Harry is a Captain. In "Timeless," he's quit the fleet altogether.
I don't care.
TATV *deserves* to be contradicted. Anything that does so gets a special pass.
You'll definitely not ever look at that episode the same way again, once you read TGTMD. (Are you seriously trying to tell me that TATV, as aired, makes any kind of sense?)
Well why not? After all the ranks are modelled on modern navies, and Starfleet would presumably value seniority and ability in the same ways.
Actually current policies have some surprising similarities. There is still a "flag list" that Captains rise up to flag rank (or oblivion), and both navies have Commander ranks who are appointed to command ships.
In either navy it is highly unlikely that someone would spend 40 years in the fleet while showing no aptitude for it.
The navy of Nelson's time might have been officered by the priveliged classes but they would never have been as successful as they were if ability was not important. Nelson is remembered as a very senior Admiral but in fact there were many more senior in the service, he was just so damn good.
It is possible Picard would have fallen at the hurdle to make Commander, or even Lt. Cmdr - but surely 40 years plus of seniority gets you two full pips?
Well the same really applies in the modern navy - but if you have neither you are in all likelihood likely to leave.
Besides the Napoleonic era navy had no Sub-Lieutenant or Lt. Cmdr ranks, both of which a competent officer without flair could attain.
Well - yes. Humanity may be in general more cuddly in the 24th century but I imagine pride and self-esteem are still important concerns.
No, that doesn't count. We saw Harry as Captain in an alternate timeline, where Voyager had been in the DQ/BQ for 16 more years, during which time the ship was (presumably) in contact with Starfleet. So over those years, Harry may have been promoted long-distance via Starfleet. Or, he may have jumped a rank, as Geordi seemed to, it's impossible to say.
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