Terminator-202 "Automatic For the People" - Discuss/Grade <SPO>
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Exactly!
The More Terminator and TechCom soldiers that come back the more polluted the time line becomes.
I did not want to make the "Enterprise" connection to T:SCC because I didn't wanna hear some folks start to cry but This show is starting to feel like Enterprise.
Screw the original and what time line came before and do what ever we want now because its Kewl!!
I realize they have to have Terminator battles and such to keep the viewers tuned in but be smart about it.
Don't just do Whatever and then tell us it happened that way "Because".
Understand, I like this show and I want it to succeed but I don't want to be just spoon feed the Kewl Terminator of the week show.
I don't want this show to do to the Terminators what Voyager did with the Borg.
It makes even less sense of John in the future doesn't "currently" remember the events from the show then if he does. What's the point of any of this time travel if it can't change the future? But lets face it... besides the first movie, which was a causality loop, time travel in the Terminator franchise has never really worked when it's that closely examined.
I also miss Cheri Westin. I have the feeling they'll be dropping the ball on a lot of the loose ends of the first season.
Aren't these sort of contradictory? If future John remembers everything that happened in the past, then changing things seems kind of moot. It wouldn't be changing things so much as fulfilling a destiny.
Aren't these sort of contradictory? If future John remembers everything that happened in the past, then changing things seems kind of moot. It wouldn't be changing things so much as fulfilling a destiny.
Average. Eh, I'm not sure this show has enough oomph in the premise to keep me coming back much longer, specially when Mon nights starts to get really competitive.
The viewership numbers are weak. Demos are still strong, but the main competition has not yet arrived:
Fine with me. I hope the NBC combo of Chuck/Heroes/My Own Worst Enemy dominates the night. Those shows interest me much more than TSCC, which is already running out of steam, and Prison Break, which has been on fumes for far too long.
The viewership numbers are weak. Demos are still strong, but the main competition has not yet arrived:
Fine with me. I hope the NBC combo of Chuck/Heroes/My Own Worst Enemy dominates the night. Those shows interest me much more than TSCC, which is already running out of steam, and Prison Break, which has been on fumes for far too long.
No. He remembers them now because the future has been changed, and future John has changed with it.
And that's such a strange concept because if the future is constantly in flux, there is potential for duplicates. Like another Derek or Cameron could be sent back.
Heroes premiere VS TSCC in the same timeslot. I can already hear the axe being sharpened
Okay...I'm here folks, might not be here every week since I'm still recovering from my surgery (in a second cast right now until Oct 2) and in a few weeks will be starting rehab. I might be here permanantly but we'll see how Smallville Season Eight goes. I'm loving this series! As soon as John met Riley I thought about Kate Brewster from Terminator 3...I didn't know about the T-1001 rumor though. That would be a perfect infiltration though...I wonder if Cameron is jealous or not over this development? Her attidude when she comes back from the bar certainally indicated she wasn't pleased with Riley being there. Tomas Dekker is growing on me, hated his performance in the pilot but he's starting to rub off on me and Lena Headley is a perfect Sarah Conner.
I really want to like this show, I love the Terminator premise and Summer Glau is awesome. It has had its moments so far, but I don't think it's finding its footing.
It just doesn't feel like this is the John Connor who's going to become the soldier-savior of humanity. I guess that is my primary complaint.
Another problem with TSCC is that Terminator movies are all about action and surviving by chance and sheer determination against an almost unstoppable enemy, but as a concept for a series it can't work that way. It's sort of like the Borg on Trek (Voy especially), by becoming a regular villain they either have to be stupid or the protagonists have to have incredible luck each time they encounter them. That doesn't make for compelling television.
The Terminators simply can't appear in almost every episode and stay menacing.
It just doesn't feel like this is the John Connor who's going to become the soldier-savior of humanity. I guess that is my primary complaint.
Another problem with TSCC is that Terminator movies are all about action and surviving by chance and sheer determination against an almost unstoppable enemy, but as a concept for a series it can't work that way. It's sort of like the Borg on Trek (Voy especially), by becoming a regular villain they either have to be stupid or the protagonists have to have incredible luck each time they encounter them. That doesn't make for compelling television.
The Terminators simply can't appear in almost every episode and stay menacing.
I suppose given the ratings it's not a bad thing that I am beginning to lose interest in this show.
I have a friend who's ignored Heroes ("stupid comic book characters") so far, but the "Villains" ads have got him interested. I think the Heroes' producers might have hit on a way of really reinvigoring the ratings. If I hadn't been already watching, those ads would probably have made me curious.
Plus, I wonder how much Star Trek IX pre-publicity with Zach Quinto has leaked out into mainstream consciousness by now? People may tune in to get their first glimpse of New Spock.
What could be fun in T:SCC if they start to give us more of a sense of the strategic "landscape" of LA/Southern California - they stop reacting to this or that, and come up with a coherent plan. They need to take over this power station, that advanced-AI corporation, etc to stymie Skynet. Give us a coherent, simple-to-understand overall battle plan for what these characters need to achieve - an underground war happening right under everyone's noses in LA. They could even start to branch out geographically. But right now, I just feel like a bunch of random fights are breaking out, and I don't really care about any of it.
And John needs to grow up fast. I know he's acting like a teenager, but this show doesn't need a mopey teenager at its center.
I was actually thinking how awesome that would be if they did that during last night's episode.
I was thinking that last night. Both Skynet and the Resistence have contaminated the timeline beyond recognition. Really, when you think about it, having Judgment Day delayed by even a day should send a whole bunch of ripples through the timeline. Maybe instead of leading the human race, John gets killed in a car accident instead. The possibilities are endless.
And how friggin stubborn is Skynet that they keep going back to the same plan constantly? They're like a politician that keeps voting to send money to the same failed government program. Maybe it's time they do the robot eqivulent of "nutting up" and actually try to concentrate on defeating John Connor in the future.
The producers have already said that they are going to have more people coming back through time this season. There is an interview at TerminatorFiles on the main page where they pretty much say John lied to Kyle about the time machine being destroyed. Skynet and the Resistance BOTH have one and are using them to change the past. Also we'll see a female resistance fighter come through later this season to join the Connor Team.
Fox Executives have told the writers that they are required to start making the show more episodic than arc based so that you can miss episodes and still understand the story.
As for the T-888 replacing Greenway. That's pretty obvious an answer: the T-888 didn't need his skin because Skynet already has his critical data. They had his skin type and an image to replicate him. We've seen this before as evidenced by Vick Chamberlain.
We have seen in previous episodes that there are Resistance fighters that don't trust John Connor and don't believe in him or that he's their destined leader. I could see them doing an episode like this in the future.
Some of the school characters from season one have moved on to other series and were unavailable with the beginning of season two. John will - every so often - run into people that he knew from season one though.
There is a Terminator comic from a few years ago (it may have been early 90s) where FutureJohn is sending back Resistance Soldiers to weaken the future Skynet because he realizes that Judgment Day is inevitable. They may be doing this here.