Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cast?

[Lucky1]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

No way. Absolutely no way!
It just wouldn't be Trek!
I'm a chick. I like watching hot, awesomely buff guys get into sticky situations on strange new planets and rip their shirts... for sure. But I equally enjoy watchin the smart, sexy, professional, multi-tasking woman who inevitably ends up rescuing them. And if either or both of them are aliens... all to the good.
This is sci-fi. I want to see aliens. Lots of aliens. The more the merrier.
We need more, not less strong female roles on tellie. Let's not go back to the 'dark ages' when it was considered that the only place for women was in the household. One of the great things about Star Trek was that it had women working alongside men. I only lament the ratio - Out of 5 series, only one had a female captain (and yes, for that matter, only one had a black captain...)
Equal rights??? Anyone????

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

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Indeed, for the most part Trek series seem to have a 5-2 or 4-3 male-female ratio in the main cast.

Enterprise is in dire need of diversity. It's like someone grabbed names out of an American phonebook.

 

[prometheuspan]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

No way. Absolutely no way!
It just wouldn't be Trek!
I'm a chick. I like watching hot, awesomely buff guys get into sticky situations on strange new planets and rip their shirts... for sure. But I equally enjoy watchin the smart, sexy, professional, multi-tasking woman who inevitably ends up rescuing them. And if either or both of them are aliens... all to the good.
This is sci-fi. I want to see aliens. Lots of aliens. The more the merrier.
We need more, not less strong female roles on tellie. Let's not go back to the 'dark ages' when it was considered that the only place for women was in the household. One of the great things about Star Trek was that it had women working alongside men. I only lament the ratio - Out of 5 series, only one had a female captain (and yes, for that matter, only one had a black captain...)
Equal rights??? Anyone????

I'm male and heterosexual, but otherwise, i couldn't agree with you more!

 

[Admiral2]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Venus is regarded as earth like only in terms of its size. The trek universe
tells us that there are a few hundred member planetary civilizations of starfleet and many more non member civilizations.

The trek universe also tells us that an amoeba can be the size of a gas giant ("The Immunity Syndrome", TOS), a giant snowflake can destroy a planet ("Silicon Avatar", TNG), you can have fluid in space that isn't hot, but doesn't freeze and doesn't evaporate (fluidic space, VOY) and you can talk with whales, using only sound, from SPACE (STIV:TVH). Given this stellar track record of scientific accuracy, I tend not to put much stock in what "the trek universe tells us."

Cooperative exploration would be in the mutual interest of all such civilizations.

And in real life, civilizations rarely do what's in their "mutual interest." This is typical of the arguments Trekkies usually put up in discussions like this. It states what you'd like to happen without considering what you'd do if it can't, which is a distinct possibilty.

So now I'll ask you directly: If the other civilizations say "Frak you" to mutual interest, what do you do about signing on all those aliens you want to have?

Me personally, i'd prefer no more pointy ears or bumpy noses. In fact I think
they should come up with a species design encounter system via die roll,
list every large animal species on earth, add a few speculative ideas, and
then create species which are completely different from humans; which is what we would expect to find. How would that work?
We rolled three D20 and came up with 17-14-11 which just happens to be
lobster. So now we slightly increase the size and complexity of a lobster and add sentience and tool gripping appendages.

And you'd come up with something more likely to not want to cooperate with humans, defeating the whole purpose of "let's have aliens in the crew."

And to those of you who responded "Budget" to what I said about TOS: Not. The. Point. Budget or not, that's how it was depicted on-screen, which means it's canon that there were more humans in Starfleet than any other race.

 

[RobertScorpio]

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I like shows with all male casts. One of the reasons I think the first three years of Law & Order was so great.

Would Trek fans here watch a Trek series with an all male, all human main cast?

No...not at all.

Rob

 

[JoeZhang]

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And to those of you who responded "Budget" to what I said about TOS: Not. The. Point. Budget or not, that's how it was depicted on-screen, which means it's canon that there were more humans in Starfleet than any other race.

No it's canon there are more humans on the ships we saw that any other race - and since we saw virtually nothing of the federation, that means nothing.

 

[Shawnster]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

And to those of you who responded "Budget" to what I said about TOS: Not. The. Point. Budget or not, that's how it was depicted on-screen, which means it's canon that there were more humans in Starfleet than any other race.

No it's canon there are more humans on the ships we saw that any other race - and since we saw virtually nothing of the federation, that means nothing.

More to the point - TOS was a series with only one half-alien in the main cast of characters. TOS ran for 3 years, spawned 10 movies, 4 sequels, and is still talked about today (as this site proves). If a show like that can be successful with only a half-alien, why couldn't a Trek series today be just as successful with an all human crew or at least all human main cast?

This doesn't preclude having aliens in the show. It simply can't be Star Trek if there are only humans featured in every role, in every episode.

But with good writers a Trek with an all human main cast would definitely work.

In fact, using TOS as canon can be a very good reason to SUPPORT the existence of a starship with an all human crew. Immunity Syndrome established that the original Intrepid had an ALL VULCAN crew. If they can have a starship with an entire Vulcan crew, why can't they have a starship with an all human crew?

But why would you want to?

 

[Admiral2]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

And to those of you who responded "Budget" to what I said about TOS: Not. The. Point. Budget or not, that's how it was depicted on-screen, which means it's canon that there were more humans in Starfleet than any other race.

No it's canon there are more humans on the ships we saw that any other race -

But since the ships collectively are Starfleet, what's the difference?

and since we saw virtually nothing of the federation, that means nothing.

Or, it means that by agreement with the other member worlds Earth volunteered to take over the bulk of the exploration and defense responsibilities of the Federation as a whole, leaving other civilizations to concentrate on internal affairs, a situation that might result in a singularly human Starfleet for a multispecies UFP. Maybe that wasn't the intent of the creators, but it's a possibility, and as such doesn't preclude the existence of a ship with an all-human crew.

 

[DonIago]

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Given that the original question was whether we'd want to watch it, I think the OP has their answer.

 

[prometheuspan]

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The trek universe also tells us that an amoeba can be the size of a gas giant ("The Immunity Syndrome", TOS),

Uhm- A space borne alien life form similar to an amoeba..
Which, honestly, isn't impossible if it arises in a large and dense nebula.
Tho traveling away from that nebula would be rather hard.

a giant snowflake can destroy a planet ("Silicon Avatar", TNG),

Again, looks like giant snowflake, only as an incidental accident of its
structure. Not completely impossible. You seem to be phrasing these things
in the worst possible light. I agree that they are highly improbable,
but we don't know what we don't know.

you can have fluid in space that isn't hot, but doesn't freeze and doesn't evaporate (fluidic space, VOY)

all you need to do for that to work is change a few cosmological constants.
Whether you realize it or not, in truth our own universe is actually composed of quanta behaving in a fashion that might be called fluidic.

The real problem with that episode is the idea that life from that universe could exist without spatial bubbles of its own type of space in our universe.

and you can talk with whales, using only sound, from SPACE (STIV:TVH).

We don't know that it used only sound, we only know that sound is what was used to represent that communication to us.
A more likely explanation is that it used a magnetophase holomorph which
created sound after entering the atmosphere.

Given this stellar track record of scientific accuracy, I tend not to put much stock in what "the trek universe tells us."

Me neither, But I can step into or out of canon. What side of the line would you like me to be on? I think the idea that there are millions of planets in the milky way galaxy with life on them is bunk, and estimate perhaps as many as a dozen planets with sentient life in the entire Galaxy, probably
none of them with technology as advanced as ours.

Cooperative exploration would be in the mutual interest of all such civilizations.

And in real life, civilizations rarely do what's in their "mutual interest." This is typical of the arguments Trekkies usually put up in discussions like this. It states what you'd like to happen without considering what you'd do if it can't, which is a distinct possibilty.

Are we operating inside or outside of canon? Canon says the UFP has 150 or so participant members. Apparently, according to canon, they DID sign on. I personally happen to think that its unlikely that aliens will be as violent or as xenophobic as we are, and that we actually inhabit the far end of the bellcurve on both counts.

So now I'll ask you directly: If the other civilizations say "Frak you" to mutual interest, what do you do about signing on all those aliens you want to have?

If that did happen, Then I'd leave them alone. My prediction is that it wouldn't happen, but I could be wrong.

And to those of you who responded "Budget" to what I said about TOS: Not. The. Point. Budget or not, that's how it was depicted on-screen, which means it's canon that there were more humans in Starfleet than any other race.

No, its canon that there are more humans aboard Starfleets Earth division
than any other race, and that there are other divisions of starfleet, As per ships crewed entirely by vulcans and other ships mentioned crewed entirely by other species.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

But they weren't mentioned as being in seperate divisions. It was the Federation Starfleet. The Enterprise just happened to be majority human in crew composition because it started off as a UESPA ship. *Quietly kicks Enterprise under the rug* Sure in TOS, you'd probably have ships manned entirely by one race, due to environmental considerations, but when you move to larger ships, accomodating these alien races becomes easier. I think the idea of having the Federation Starfleet run by Earth alone is bogus. It's the Federation Starfleet, so it answers to the Council. Sure, Starfleet Command is on Earth, but the Federation Council has overriding authority on the whole deal.

 

[Shawnster]

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I think the idea of having the Federation Starfleet run by Earth alone is bogus. It's the Federation Starfleet, so it answers to the Council. Sure, Starfleet Command is on Earth, but the Federation Council has overriding authority on the whole deal.

And yet, how many non-earth names did we see on starships?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Hmm. It would be less colorful than I'm used to, but I could go for it.

For me, the lack of aliens would be worse than the lack of women. Such a shame never to see Vulcans, Romulans, Cardies or the Borg in major roles.

But I'd be happy with a cast that contains any or all of the following actors:

Ben Browder, Joe Flanigan, Michael Trucco, Skeet Ulrich, Connor Trinneer, Esai Morales, Wentworth Miller, Christopher Judge, Ian Somerhalder, Milo Ventimiglia, Adrian Pasdar, James Kyson Lee, Sendhil Ramamurthy, and Lee Pace.

I'd watch that even if Berman & Braga were writing it. Don't forget the decon chamber scenes!

Hell, even Oz, a show about a male penitentiary, has female cast members!

But they were hardly necessary since everyone watched the show for the, errr, decon chamber scenes.

When you add one or more women to the mix a lot of the guys go into "chick mode" and spend more time chating with the ladies than doing anything constructive.

But the premise of Star Trek is that the male characters are somewhat better than the usual brainless hormonal baboon. So this concern is wholly uncanonical.

With an all male crew the writers won't be able to resist putting in some homoerotic undertones into some episodes.

I'm sure they could resist it. Whether they could avoid it is another matter entirely.

And since much of their male viewership would bail in disgust due to a lack of ensigns in miniskirts, they'd need to make it up by appealing to the female demo. Decon scenes, gentlemen.

 

[Johnhead99]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Diane Carey already did that with one of her novels. Went over like a lead balloon. So I say, "No." It would be boring. Hell, even Oz, a show about a male penitentiary, has female cast members! -- RR

What book was it?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

No, I wouldn't.

What a stupid idea.

QFT.

 

[OmahaStar]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

There is only one reason to want a series like this. And someone took that idea and made a gay porn film which served exactly the same purpose.

I wasn't aware the OP had come out of the closet. I suppose I should offer my congratulations for finally admitting his sexual orientation in public. *shrug*

 

[RobertScorpio]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

All male...sure. Why not?

All human? Absolutely, since all the supposed 'aliens' are just human beings in make-up anyway. So all human and predominately non-white.

STAR TREK: THE B.E.T GENERATION!!

Rob

 

[santa biggles]

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Would Trek fans here watch a Trek series with an all male, all human main cast?

No...not at all.

Rob and I actually agree on something!

 

[Turtletrekker]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

^I know how you feel. Quick, check the Weather Channel. I think Hell just froze over!

 

[startrekfiero]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Would people watch it? Of course you would get some viewers, but having said that you could do a TV show on which paints dry faster and you would get some viewers for that too. The question is, how many viewers would you get, and I think I can confidently say that the number would be way too low for it to stay on the air for more than a few episodes if it was even green lighted to begin with.
Firefly is a good example of a sci-fi show where the show was pretty popular but only among a very small number of viewers. Since the viewership was so low and so the ratings were terrible it didn't last long, and I would say that Firefly was a much better show than the Trek show you are describing here IMO