You can find this at every good dumbware store next to the glass hammer and the elbow grease.It's time to whip out an old classic:
Pocket's '08 -'09 schedule - LOTS of new covers!
- Thread starter Rex Racer
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^^^ Hey, I know plenty of shops that sell Elbow Grease. of course, they're probably a different kind of shop than you're thinking of... 
Drama huh?
I try to explain my point. I even go to extra lengths to fully explain it and am presented with the classic harp on an insignificant part and pretend to not understand what is being said until the poster gets tired of talking and gives up.
So instead, I just say fuck the whole thing because obviously this is the current idea that sells books and dissenting opinions are mocked until they surrender. It's not my cup of tea and I don't feel the need to support it.
That apparently qualifies as failure.
I don't like next generation, ds9, voyager or enterprise and won't buy the dvds, books or anything related to them. That apparently also qualifies as failure. It is the same thing. If I don't want to support it I'm not going to. I'm not required to.
I then give thanks for the help in coming to the decision since it bothered me enough to even post about it. It was something I had posted about previously and was truly torn on the idea of giving up trek lit support.
Is the decision to not buy something I don't support "kid stuff silly"?
I stated I would not purchase these books after the discussion to let at least some author know of feedback and feelings on the issue.
By an author's response this also was a failure.
So be it.
I will content myself on a more limited avenue of entertainment and am fully aware of the loss. Again, my choice. At least it will be something I can support. If those change, then I will alter my support again. It is entertainment, and there are plenty of other options if I give up trek altogether. It is just not that important to accept whatever is produced with a trek label on it and like it.
What they haven't told us is that they've actually planned two TPBs for the Romulan war:
The Romulan War: 2156-2158
The Romulan War: 2159-2161
And then KRAD writes the last of the TPBs to finish off the "Founding of the Federation" trilogy with:
Federation: Year One
And then Federation: Year One is immediately contradicted by the events of the new Star Trek television series, "Star Trek: Dawn of the Federation".
KRAD, in retaliation, storms the offices of CBS dressed in full Klingon regalia and forces them to eat live earthworms doused in hot pepper sauce, calling them 'fresh gagh'...
I'm sure Paula Block will try to talk him down, but we all know it won't end well when CBS Security gets called; tasers will be drawn, insurances will be maxed out...
Rob+
Dang, man. Republica Agonistes. Seriously, you got into an argument over what is, by your own admission, a triviality, then went into a snark when people tried arguing with you instead of commiserating, going off into another thread to blame another poster here for your future purchasing habits. You can't expect people to let somebody blowing an issue out of proportion, or the subsequent tantrums, go by without comment.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
I don't recall anyone mocking you, except perhaps (by some posters) after you recanted your 2009 shopping list. That was after you "surrendered".
It was a rather backhanded thanks. Suddenly I was the reason the authors were losing royalties?
You are prejudging TOS novels that won't see publication for at least a year, because you assume they'll be referencing each other in ways that will force you to buy novels of ST series you don't follow?
I'd suggest that, if you used to buy the TOS and Vanguard books and enjoyed them, you keep on buying and enjoying them and instead stop reading this message board. After all I'm sure the books are more fun that people bitching and moaning about your opinion and such. People can be a little 'forceful' on here but if it comes down to it you're better off keeping the enjoyment of the books you do read.
No, simply the discussion illustrated completely to me that this is the direction trek lit fans want and are seemingly excited to go to. Monomaniacal much? The thanks was simply that. I was undecided, then not.
So in order to take the stand of a complete stop purchase on star trek lit books for myself as a voice of protest I have to wait until they are no longer being made, as condition. Nice logic.
It's not just other series, it is the whole "we build on one another" approach that is being championed by those involved, including fans. I tried to illustrate my objection, you (and others) simply chose not to see what I was saying and remained focused on something else.
Maybe I want to see other views on the Enterprise's last mission - hell, maybe I would like to see each author's take on it at some point. Maybe I want stories on how other certain events happened. Maybe I just don't want some big intricate interwoven community tale where everyone builds on one another and allows no other stories to be told about something someone has already incorporated into their now ongoing community tale because that would then be contradictory to the current writing plan.
And yes, maybe I just really don't like forced ENT or future references to TNG+ in a book I paid for concerning TOS (including comics). Those for the most part I can ignore and hate at my leisure. It is the big picture direction I have issues with. It is too Star Warsy lit and Lucaslike film for me.
I am sure you will somehow twist this post around as well for your ends.
Have at it.
And with this I am truly done.
Hailing frequencies closed.
Well, for the record, the Crucible books didn't have any references to any other continuity in them, on purpose, for exactly the reasons you described. They sold well enough to justify an unprecedented hardcover reprint, so somehow I doubt they'll be the only ones that do so.
Aside from that, the big picture thing would only affect Vanguard and TOS in minor references. Does it really bother you so much to have an author refer to an Enterprise event that you'd rather just stop reading the novels? That seems completely insane to me.
Aside from that, the big picture thing would only affect Vanguard and TOS in minor references. Does it really bother you so much to have an author refer to an Enterprise event that you'd rather just stop reading the novels? That seems completely insane to me.
Except, of course, for the references that they do have (like Blackjack Harriman). But on the whole, yes, they go out of their way to make it impossible to coexist with other novels.
They have no problem "coexisting" with other novels, any more than there's a problem with Batman: The Animated Series coexisting with the Christian Bale movies. Two works of fiction don't have to be consistent with each other in continuity terms in order to coexist as facets of a greater whole. They don't have to be in the same (totally made-up) "reality" to be part of the same franchise.
So it's ridiculous to say they "go out of their way to make it impossible to coexist," as if DRGIII were somehow rejecting or repudiating what the rest of us do. He simply made a conscious choice to explore a different variation on the theme. Which, in a sense, is no different from what we're doing in Myriad Universes, just more subtle. There's no problem with coexistence, not on any level that actually matters.
IDIC, right?
wuzzat? ^^^
Maybe for the hardcover Crucible, you can put the MyrU moniker on it. Those books were fantastic!!
(in response to U.S.S. Republic's grievances)
I stopped reading the news because it kept referring to other events, sometimes even including sport or economics.
To be honest, I actually like the fact Trek Lit has established its own kind of canon and continuity, and I've never enjoyed it more! (massive gush at the authors here
) It gives us an ever evolving universe that isn't carefully treading round the TV shows anymore. Vanguard or the ENT relaunch would be my example for this - they take place before the TNG era, but yet you still want to read without constantly thinking that some reset button is going to wipe it all away cos of facts established in the later eras.
The only problem is, I've only recently started reading the Trek books again so I'm having to catch up from 1999
and I can't wait to be up to date with the new releases. Speaking of which... is there a timeline somewhere (Memory Beta I'm thinking) that shows when the relaunch novels/series take place and relate to each other?
^ Anyone for a big bowl of Off Topic?
I stopped reading the news because it kept referring to other events, sometimes even including sport or economics.
To be honest, I actually like the fact Trek Lit has established its own kind of canon and continuity, and I've never enjoyed it more! (massive gush at the authors here
) It gives us an ever evolving universe that isn't carefully treading round the TV shows anymore. Vanguard or the ENT relaunch would be my example for this - they take place before the TNG era, but yet you still want to read without constantly thinking that some reset button is going to wipe it all away cos of facts established in the later eras.The only problem is, I've only recently started reading the Trek books again so I'm having to catch up from 1999
and I can't wait to be up to date with the new releases. Speaking of which... is there a timeline somewhere (Memory Beta I'm thinking) that shows when the relaunch novels/series take place and relate to each other?^ Anyone for a big bowl of Off Topic?
There are timeline listings on Memory Beta. Generally each book's entry lists what the next and previous works chronologically are.
