Why do you say that?
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Why do you say that?
There is a huge critical distinction in this admirably civil debate that I want to bring up here with my fellow Trekkies and Heads.
Too many of you are equating smoking marijuana with being an junkie wandering the street, or at least you paint in such broad strokes when discussing the topic. You refer to "drugs", as if they were all the same, and with the general assumption that "drugs are bad, m'kay?"
Now I want to tell you that addiction with marijuana is, in all honest truth, extremely rare. What most people experience is a mild dependence, but there is almost never any problem with one's functioning in society. Now that is one of the main ingredients of addiction, that you can't get by without it, and though some potheads may project this to be true of marijuana, in reality this is almost never the case. The day after running out of marijuana is generally just a "darn, I wish I had some." Then you go to work and do all your normal stuff.
Some people do experience a greater psychological dependence, sometimes even mimicking that of a real fiending addiction, but this is not at all normal, and it is highly debatable as to whether the MJ is the cause of this behavior. It is more likely IMO that in these cases it is a symptom, and of course does need to be addressed.
So in other words, pot isn't crack, WTF? Over?
And, since I'm in this far, I have to say that operating one's own brain and making one's own decisions is a critical freedom, and that marijuana expands and encourages such thought. Although there are those who will use its qualities as a mere escape and crutch, many more of us use such substances not so much in escaping reality, but in stepping further into it. There is a world of difference between a modern seeking shaman, and a "druggie". One is an explorer, the other is on a hook. And they use very different drugs. You don't see marijuana junkies, you do see poets, artists, and free thinkers who smoke it. And Star Trek fans.
Too many of you are equating smoking marijuana with being an junkie wandering the street, or at least you paint in such broad strokes when discussing the topic. You refer to "drugs", as if they were all the same, and with the general assumption that "drugs are bad, m'kay?"
Now I want to tell you that addiction with marijuana is, in all honest truth, extremely rare. What most people experience is a mild dependence, but there is almost never any problem with one's functioning in society. Now that is one of the main ingredients of addiction, that you can't get by without it, and though some potheads may project this to be true of marijuana, in reality this is almost never the case. The day after running out of marijuana is generally just a "darn, I wish I had some." Then you go to work and do all your normal stuff.
Some people do experience a greater psychological dependence, sometimes even mimicking that of a real fiending addiction, but this is not at all normal, and it is highly debatable as to whether the MJ is the cause of this behavior. It is more likely IMO that in these cases it is a symptom, and of course does need to be addressed.
So in other words, pot isn't crack, WTF? Over?
And, since I'm in this far, I have to say that operating one's own brain and making one's own decisions is a critical freedom, and that marijuana expands and encourages such thought. Although there are those who will use its qualities as a mere escape and crutch, many more of us use such substances not so much in escaping reality, but in stepping further into it. There is a world of difference between a modern seeking shaman, and a "druggie". One is an explorer, the other is on a hook. And they use very different drugs. You don't see marijuana junkies, you do see poets, artists, and free thinkers who smoke it. And Star Trek fans.
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^ Hmm. Well, you can have your weed, just leave me out of it. 
Coffee, on the other hand...must have. MUST have.
Coffee, on the other hand...must have. MUST have.
^ Hmm. Well, you can have your weed, just leave me out of it.
Coffee, on the other hand...must have. MUST have.
Indeed coffee is in fact a much more addictive substance than cannabis. I love coffee. But it does fit the mold of work work work for the man, gotta have my coffee to get going and swallow the pill of working for the man. I generally drink coffee all day when I'm working, and smoke cannabis all day when creating. Nothing essentially wrong with either, but what we are working for is a good question to ask.
Since when is marijuana classified as a "narcotic"?
1932 in the United States.
Since when is marijuana classified as a "narcotic"?
1932 in the United States.
1932?
You have a link for that? Because Wiki and several other sources point out it's NOT a narcotic. Just making it illegal does not accurately reclassify its scientific taxonomy...and frankly, lawmakers aren't even qualified to make such a declaration.Since when is marijuana classified as a "narcotic"?
1932 in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotic
Captain Stoner really put it well in the above posts. It is really no big deal when weed runs out or you can't get it. It just makes it that much sweeter when you have some.
Even though the idea of this thread was intended for pot smokers to have fun, it has become a farily civil debate among marijuana use in trekdom. Hopefully those who equate Marijuana to hard drugs can open their eyes a little with posts like Captain Stoner's. It has no addictive properties (physical) like caffine or tobacco, and is cleary much less harmful to one's health than alcohol. It is not even about medical marijuana, it is a personal rights issue.
I won't even get into the hypocrisy of prescription drugs, which is bascially legal narcotic trafficing in which drug companies, lobbyists, and doctors make millions and millions.
Even though the idea of this thread was intended for pot smokers to have fun, it has become a farily civil debate among marijuana use in trekdom. Hopefully those who equate Marijuana to hard drugs can open their eyes a little with posts like Captain Stoner's. It has no addictive properties (physical) like caffine or tobacco, and is cleary much less harmful to one's health than alcohol. It is not even about medical marijuana, it is a personal rights issue.
I won't even get into the hypocrisy of prescription drugs, which is bascially legal narcotic trafficing in which drug companies, lobbyists, and doctors make millions and millions.
While its true that marijuana isnt physically addictive, it certaintly has questionable effects on a person, psychologically. More and more research is being done into the longterm effects of using this drug. while its true that right now although the results are pointing towards "Dont smoke weed. Its bad" The results are still a tad inconclusive. I'm also fairly sure that some of the negative properties of cannabis use have been exagerrated somewhat, for the benefit of the younger generation. Be that as it may, smoking weed is still risky business no matter how safe a person would proclaim it to be. Many recent reports have stated that although it is unlikely to cause actual physical damage to the brain, it does have an effect on our ability to learn and remember, so if you don't mind getting dumber and dumber....
As for the phsychological effects i mentioned- Statistical research has recently noted that the younger the cannabis user is when they start, the more likely they are to have drinking/drug problems later in life.
I wouldn't automatically equate marijuana use with hard drugs, as an ex-marijuana user and also an "ex casual-user of drugs somewhere in the medium area of the spectrum" i am aware of the difference. I do however notice that ocassionally it can lead to the use of harder drugs, whether that is because of the person or the drugs feels somewhat irrelevant -because if the person hadn't tried it in the first place they likely wouldnt have been introduced to the harder drug.
My brother recently quit marijuana, or he says he quit at least. Problem is, now he's popping 15 tranquilizers a day and thinks its ok because his doctor prescribed them. When i see him, it just seems as though he is trying to find a replacement for the weed.
I don't necessarily see that there is anything wrong with maybe smoking a j once in a blue moon. Once or twice a year.. Maybe every few months, but every week? Every day? I can't agree with that.
I sometimes get the urge to spark up a cigarette, or toke on a friends pipe. If i had never smoked, or never smoked cannabis, i wouldn't get those urges. That to me is a lasting effect. So is the knowledge that i made a few wrong turns along the way.
But there you go.
Thats the beauty of freedom isn't it? Were all able to have our opinions, make our own choices, do the things we feel are right.
As for the phsychological effects i mentioned- Statistical research has recently noted that the younger the cannabis user is when they start, the more likely they are to have drinking/drug problems later in life.
I wouldn't automatically equate marijuana use with hard drugs, as an ex-marijuana user and also an "ex casual-user of drugs somewhere in the medium area of the spectrum" i am aware of the difference. I do however notice that ocassionally it can lead to the use of harder drugs, whether that is because of the person or the drugs feels somewhat irrelevant -because if the person hadn't tried it in the first place they likely wouldnt have been introduced to the harder drug.
My brother recently quit marijuana, or he says he quit at least. Problem is, now he's popping 15 tranquilizers a day and thinks its ok because his doctor prescribed them. When i see him, it just seems as though he is trying to find a replacement for the weed.
I don't necessarily see that there is anything wrong with maybe smoking a j once in a blue moon. Once or twice a year.. Maybe every few months, but every week? Every day? I can't agree with that.
I sometimes get the urge to spark up a cigarette, or toke on a friends pipe. If i had never smoked, or never smoked cannabis, i wouldn't get those urges. That to me is a lasting effect. So is the knowledge that i made a few wrong turns along the way.
But there you go.
Thats the beauty of freedom isn't it? Were all able to have our opinions, make our own choices, do the things we feel are right.
A paycheck is a pretty good reason.
Yep.
And this freedom extends to things like anti-smoking/drugs/alcohol ads, public service announcements, etc.
If you want to use a substance, that's one thing. But one shouldn't let that interfere with others' right to speak out against using that thing.
A paycheck is a pretty good reason.
Yep.
And this freedom extends to things like anti-smoking/drugs/alcohol ads, public service announcements, etc.
If you want to use a substance, that's one thing. But one shouldn't let that interfere with others' right to speak out against using that thing.
Of course. It should be legal just like alcohol, tabacco, caffine, and perscription narcotics, legal for those who wish to use it and legal for those who want to speak against it. It's the double standard what is the problem to adult users of Marijuana.
A little of topic but...
Spockweed.. If i might ask you a personal question?
Asking... Ok, so i see your name "Spockweed" your avatar- Yoda smokes pot, your sig- Legalize it... Why do you feel it necessary to advertise the fact that your a marijuana user so blatantly?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't do so, but its interesting on a psychological level.
If i might be so bold... A little like a child who has a new toy and wants to tell everyone.
Why is it such a big part of your life, and why do you feel the need to make sure people know about it?
I'm a little bit nervous asking about this because its a little out of line, but since you obviously don't find the fact that you are a user to be a private matter, indulge me.
Spockweed.. If i might ask you a personal question?
Asking... Ok, so i see your name "Spockweed" your avatar- Yoda smokes pot, your sig- Legalize it... Why do you feel it necessary to advertise the fact that your a marijuana user so blatantly?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't do so, but its interesting on a psychological level.
If i might be so bold... A little like a child who has a new toy and wants to tell everyone.
Why is it such a big part of your life, and why do you feel the need to make sure people know about it?
I'm a little bit nervous asking about this because its a little out of line, but since you obviously don't find the fact that you are a user to be a private matter, indulge me.
Since when is marijuana classified as a "narcotic"?
1932 in the United States.
1932?
Well, I was just being a smart ass. The Uniform State Narcotics Act was passed in 32, iirc, and it encouraged states to ban Cannabis. I wasn't actually being serious there.
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SpockWeed is the name I thought up for Trek BBS in 2001, and now use it on almost every forum I participate in. Though this is the only place I use the Yoda Avatar and have started a thread like this.
I guess the name came up since in regular life most people don't know that I may partake, I have fond memories of watching WPIX TOS late night reruns after a nice evening jay, and I thought Trek fans to be open people for the most part. There is no underlying psycological reason to make it known, since in fact most people don't know. It's not that big a part of my life, but it is a huge part of my Trek fandom.
I tried another name at first, Spock's Dream or something, but it was taken.
SpockWeed is the name I thought up for Trek BBS in 2001, and now use it on almost every forum I participate in. Though this is the only place I use the Yoda Avatar and have started a thread like this.
I guess the name came up since in regular life most people don't know that I may partake, I have fond memories of watching WPIX TOS late night reruns after a nice evening jay, and I thought Trek fans to be open people for the most part. There is no underlying psycological reason to make it known, since in fact most people don't know. It's not that big a part of my life, but it is a huge part of my Trek fandom.
I tried another name at first, Spock's Dream or something, but it was taken.
I'm sure the USS Kingston probably has a more liberal policy on the smoking of weed...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston,_Jamaica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston,_Jamaica
I have some idea of what you mean. Not with cannabis though, but i used to be a pretty heavy smoker. I had associated smoking with pretty much everything i did, including trek. It kinda became a part of my daily trek ritual -watch an episode, have a smoke and chill. Although I was very much one of those teenagers who thought it cool to smoke weed though, i'd be a walking advertisment!
Of course it was all "just to fit in" since i had been an outcast forever.
It didnt work. I'm still a loner and i don't smoke weed.
That is the big issue here with me, i'm less concerned for the mature adults capable of making balanced decisions then i am for the kids who just want to fit in.
Another question, for all of the participants of this thread...
How many of you are over 18?
Well, as long as you grant me that freedom, I guess we're okay.
It's just that I have run into too many of the pro-legalization crowd who think that I am some kind of uptight fascist reactionary for daring to be against drugs of any kind, and who would love to censor not only me personally, but also things like the Truth.com ads (which I happen to enjoy
).So as long as you don't try to stop me from speaking out (not even right here on this board), I won't interfere with you either. Fair enough?
Were you just kidding then about the coffee?
Well, as long as you grant me that freedom, I guess we're okay.
It's just that I have run into too many of the pro-legalization crowd who think that I am some kind of uptight fascist reactionary for daring to be against drugs of any kind, and who would love to censor not only me personally, but also things like the Truth.com ads (which I happen to enjoy
So as long as you don't try to stop me from speaking out (not even right here on this board), I won't interfere with you either. Fair enough?
Yup, fair enough.
Out of curiosity, what are your views on alcohol?
And, to keep the theme of the thread, what do you think of Scotty's drinking?
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