Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & III"

[that1guy]

Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I can't believe my foiler wound up being true. What the hell are the chances of that? I even guessed that Locke would be the one in the coffin. Though, I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised at the same time. I can't wait to find out how Locke died and why and all the rest of the answers that demand answering in the next 2 seasons. I get the feeling that a lot of things are going to be answered next season.

I hate thinking this but... is the island actually a giant frakking spaceship? Are the cerberus vents just exhaust pipes for it? Is Cerberus really a defense grid used to protect the downed spaceship? Is that freaking donkey wheel their FTL drive? Is Aaron a frakking cylon baby?

...frakking toaster.

 

[Nomad]

Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I voted "Excellent." Great to see Desmond and Penny reunited. I'm also glad that the writers remembered the second island, even though we may never see it again.

 

[Mallet]

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I wonder if Walt also has to go back to the island with the rest.

 

[Klaus]

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The donkey wheel was a bit weird for me. If I don't understand how it works - or how it got there ...

I mean, is this supposed to be something ancient? is it extraterrestrial? Did Dharma know about it?

Ben made it pretty clear that Dharma was just a bunch of hippies running silly experiments harnessing powers they never truly understood. They built the various hatches over preexisting ancient devices and energy sources and then patted themselves on the back for their ingenuity.

There appeared to be ancient writing over the wheel under a coating of ice, but it was hard to tell. So I'm assuming that whoever built the donkey wheel were the same ancient people who built the temple and the four-toed statue.

The energy comes from the "exotic matter" deposit at the island's core... which is a veritable TNG-level bit of technobabble -- nice to see the skill remains alive and well.

Presumably the island's original inhabitants discovered this and built the "donkey wheel" to take advantage of it. Then Dharma stumbled on it and we know the rest...

...which demands the question of whether Richard is an immortal Atlantean or not, doesn't it?

 

[Arrqh]

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The energy comes from the "exotic matter" deposit at the island's core... which is a veritable TNG-level bit of technobabble -- nice to see the skill remains alive and well.

Well at least they didn't totally make it up... exotic matter is a hypothetical type of matter that is in fact related to the Casimir Effect. Not to say it isn't all fiction, cause it is, but at least it's not completely pulled out of their butts

Anyway, I gave it an excellent. It's a long wait until 2009...

 

[LitmusDragon]

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Excellent, excellent, excellent.

I saw on another board that Jeremy Bentham was apparently a philosopher who was largely influence by (gasp) John Locke.

Wikipedia here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

There's probably nothing more to this than the writers making a clever allusion. Interesting nonetheless, however.

 

[Aragorn]

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If Michael is dead, then that's a waste of bringing a character back. Although if the actor got paid for every single episode (since his name was in the credits all season long), he may not think it was a waste.

Also, does Walt need to go back to the island? Because he can play his age now for all those "present" scenes.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I can't believe my foiler wound up being true. What the hell are the chances of that? I even guessed that Locke would be the one in the coffin. Though, I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised at the same time. I can't wait to find out how Locke died and why and all the rest of the answers that demand answering in the next 2 seasons. I get the feeling that a lot of things are going to be answered next season.

I hate thinking this but... is the island actually a giant frakking spaceship? Are the cerberus vents just exhaust pipes for it? Is Cerberus really a defense grid used to protect the downed spaceship? Is that freaking donkey wheel their FTL drive? Is Aaron a frakking cylon baby?

...frakking toaster.

Just you wait. Two years from now you'll think back to this post and...

I wonder if Walt also has to go back to the island with the rest.

Hmmm....good point. Initially I thought not because he didn't leave at the same time as the others, but then Ben included John who clearly didn't leave with them.

 

[Jenee]

Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

Unless he's the guy on the plane that Ro Laren did the smile/nod thing as she walked back to the survivors.

 

[Endymion]

Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

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[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I wanted to vote for something two or three places above Excellent. Wowowowowowow!!!!

First off, that kickass fight Sayid vs Keamy fight scene was hands down the best fight scene in TV history. Even if Sayid lost. Well, he was fighting a trained killer who looks about seven feet tall.

I don't think Ben moved the island at all, but just "spun the dial" for the conduits to the island (altering the electromagnetic whatzit that surrounds the island). We know about 305 and 315, and now those conduits are at, say, 310 and 320. Since the copter was still at 315 (or was it 305, I've lost track), they no longer can see the island. They see what everyone sees when they pass over the island at some heading other than exactly one of the handful of conduits: open ocean.

Miles' puzzling comment about Charlotte having found her way back to the island, hmm: was he talking about a "different" Charlotte?

Argh! Are they really going to make us wait till January?!?!

 

[that1guy]

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I wanted to vote for something two or three places above Excellent. Wowowowowowow!!!!

First off, that kickass fight Sayid vs Keamy fight scene was hands down the best fight scene in TV history. Even if Sayid lost. Well, he was fighting a trained killer who looks about seven feet tall.

I don't think Ben moved the island at all, but just "spun the dial" for the conduits to the island (altering the electromagnetic whatzit that surrounds the island). We know about 305 and 315, and now those conduits are at, say, 310 and 320. Since the copter was still at 315 (or was it 305, I've lost track), they no longer can see the island. They see what everyone sees when they pass over the island at some heading other than exactly one of the handful of conduits: open ocean.

Miles' puzzling comment about Charlotte having found her way back to the island, hmm: was he talking about a "different" Charlotte?

Argh! Are they really going to make us wait till January?!?!

Ugh, no. I think it was actually moved. We saw the ripple and everything. It was no longer there. Interestingly too, the other island disappeared as well.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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The ripple could be the change happening in the magical EM fog around the island. That fits in with the time-travel elements such as the doctor's body washing up on the beach before he was killed.

So can we assume something similar happened when Desmond and then later Locke did not push the button? The island rotated then as well? (Or teleported if you prefer). Flight 815 crashed because it was caught in the changeover (if the helicopter had been closer to the island, presumably it would have been ripped apart, too).

First off, John is not dead. And I don't mean Not. Dead. I mean he's going to come back to life once he gets back to the Island.

That was also my immediate thought. The final episode of Lost will be Locke being resurrected by the island and living happily ever after while Jack et all turn the Frozen Donkey Wheel so that nobody can ever access the island again.

Cripes, whenever I see Josh Holloway without his shirt on I have to actively reminded myself that I'm heterosexual.

Leave it to Sawyer to lose his shirt.

...So the first thing that immediately comes to my mind is... What could possibly have gone so "wrong" on the island?

Sawyer and Miles on the island together is a disaster waiting to happen. Should be fun.

As to the Season Five format:

We've basically already seen the important events of the Oceanic Six's three years. So I think that the "present" time will be Three Years Later, showing the O6's efforts to return to the Island. Meanwhile the "flashbacks" will show Island events of the past three years. Then the S5 Finale will be the O6 arriving at the Island. And S6 will be them doing whatever they have to do on the Island.

I agree. I don't see any reason for personal flashbacks anymore. We pretty much know what we need to know about the majors, and as for Miles, Charlotte and Danny, honestly I don't much care about their histories.

If Michael is dead, then that's a waste of bringing a character back.

Michael needed to redeem himself by helping save others. I've been expecting that ending for him for a long time now. It also tied up his friendship/rivalry plotline with Jin.

 

[Commander Vaughn]

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Michael telling Jin to leave leads me to believe than Jin is still alive. I don't think that Michael could have fully redeemed himself until he and Jin came to terms. When he told Jin to believe because Jin was now a father, Michael really seemed to have come to be at peace with his fate.

And Jin did leave, so he may still be alive. I hope he is, I liked this character.

 

[Jack Bauer]

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-Hints about Charlotte's past, especially her being born on the island. I don't think she's Annie--mostly because Ben shot her early on in the season--but finally she has something interesting going on with her. Man, talk about being signed onto a show and given absolutely nothing to do.

That's due to the writers strike. They moved some of the the freighties storyline to next season because there wasn't time this season.

I think the worst secret not yet revealed so far is that we don't even know what the Others CALL THEMSELVES. Is that really such a huge deal? Like Juliet wouldn't know this?

Perhaps they don't call themselves anything.

If Michael is dead, then that's a waste of bringing a character back. Although if the actor got paid for every single episode (since his name was in the credits all season long), he may not think it was a waste.

I'm pretty sure Perrineau's contract was a series regular one so he'd then get paid for every episode this sesaon.


I'm not sure Locke will come back alive when his body is brought back. I think he'll wind up the way Christian Sheppard is but we'll see more of Locke then we see of Christian. Locke's gonna pull a Ben Kenobi.

 

[ijustwannabeassimilated]

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I think it's pretty clear that next season will not be present time vs. flashback/flashforwards, but instead will be on the island vs. off the island. They will probably even still use the woosh to signal that they are switching gears.

I think the island has actually been moved. Maybe some of the bad things that happen are a result of where it has been moved to, a different climate perhaps, such as a cold one.

The artifacts on the island, hieroglyphs, four-toed statues, ruins, make it seem like the island has changed geographies before, and of course they imply that there was an ancient advanced civilization on the island. I really do think it is going to turn out to be Atlantis.

With Locke being pre-ordained and certain objects from the island having belonged to him seemingly in a previous life, I wonder if they aren't taking a page from Babylon 5 and having Atlantean souls being reborn in off-island bodies, like Minbari souls being reborn in human bodies. That would certainly explain Locke. It would also explain why the O6 have to go back to the island to set things right because they belong there because they, like Charlotte as well, were "born" there. It would also explain all the others lists. The lists of "good" people are of people who belong there because they were "born" there. Anyone who has been allowed to die or leave the island without it being required that they come back (Desmond, Ben, Michael) don't have Atlantean souls. Crazy?

 

[Agent Richard07]

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First off, that kickass fight Sayid vs Keamy fight scene was hands down the best fight scene in TV history. Even if Sayid lost. Well, he was fighting a trained killer who looks about seven feet tall.

Good catch. I looked up Kevin Durand a couple of weeks ago and found out that he's 6'6. I didn't even notice his hight on the show.

If Michael is dead, then that's a waste of bringing a character back.

Michael needed to redeem himself by helping save others. I've been expecting that ending for him for a long time now. It also tied up his friendship/rivalry plotline with Jin.

I agree. I'd like to see Michael again, but it did feel as if the character got some excellent closure.

I don't see any reason for personal flashbacks anymore. We pretty much know what we need to know about the majors, and as for Miles, Charlotte and Danny, honestly I don't much care about their histories.

I can't see them completely ditching the show's format. Besides, I think there's too much good stuff with Miles, Charlotte and Dan to not have flashbacks for them.

 

[Agent Richard07]

Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

More stuff on my mind...

- I forgot what Jack said in the Part 1 repeat about Boone and Libby and how they died. I was wondering... What if someone wanted to go to the island they were supposedly on to look for the bodies. Charlie supposedly drowned, but what about the other two?

- The Oceanic 6 and how they got off the island was handled very well and flowed quite naturally, but a lot of other stuff seemed contrived like the freighter folks suddenly deciding to stay on the island. Also, Kate refering to Locke as "Jeremy Bentham" instead of Locke, and calling Aaron "him" came off as pretty odd. Because of that, I had a thought today that maybe that wasn't Locke in the coffin. I'm sure it is, it was just a thought.

- I wonder if Sayid ever asked Ben what happened to the island. That's assuming he still doesn't know Ben got thrown off during the move.

- I thought Penny would reveal something like being married or pregnant.

- How did the Oceanic 6 account for the raft they were on?

- I mentioned yesterday that I thought we'd get a surprise involving Sawyer. I thought we'd find out that he's been off the island. Oh well...

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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I looked up Kevin Durand a couple of weeks ago and found out that he's 6'6. I didn't even notice his hight on the show.

I noticed immediately, the dude is freakishly huge! Poor little Sayid!!!

What really threw me is the notion that Ben didn't get the honor of killing Keamy. Well I should have known better...

Maybe some of the bad things that happen are a result of where it has been moved to, a different climate perhaps, such as a cold one.

That would be difficult to pull off on Oahu. They could do a lot of filming on a soundstage but I can't see them wanting to give up their location shooting. They're going to have the same old tropical climate as ever. The island is way too much of a central character for them to abandon outdoor shooting and the state of Hawaii would probably object to them spraying fake snow on the mountains.

I think people are being way too literal about the "move" thing.

How did the Oceanic 6 account for the raft they were on?

I seem to recall some mention at the press conference but really the faft could have blown onto the island from anywhere, and as unlikely as that might be, who could dispute it? As far as the public is concerned, there's no reason for a cover-up.

 

[Jack Bauer]

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- How did the Oceanic 6 account for the raft they were on?

According to the cover story a fishing boat washed up on their island and they took a raft from it and sailed off to the indonesia.