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Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & III"

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Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

Still, whose actually dead besides Keamy and Claire?

Is Michael and Jin really dead? Don't think so somehow.

Is Locke really dead or does taking him to the island someow revive him?
I'm not convinced Claire is actually dead. Same for Michael and Jin (I have a feeling Jacob saved them). And Locke is probably dead at that moment in time, but will come back to life when they return to the Island. I think Keamy and his soldiers are the only confirmed dead.

The interesting thing is what is the show's endgame once the Six return to the island? We used to think it was getting off the island but that's not the case. What happens when they're back on the island? That will be Lost's ultimate endgame.
Yeah, I love that irony! :lol:
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

Yeah, looking towards the final season I have no clue what it will be. My best guess now is that it's about defeating Widmore who is the Big Bad of the show. Maybe the last season is Widmore invading the Island en masse?

Why do the O6 have to return to the Island? Just because they weren't supposed to leave? Or is there something they have to do to save the Island? Won't heading back there just help Widmore find it again? Or is it merely taking Locke's body back so he can become the new Force Ghost? Is it their fault Locke left the Island? Did Locke willingly leave to bring them back, knowing he would end up killing himself?
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

About Claire, I think when Kate saw her she was really dead, all the other occurances of 'dead' losties showing up the person who saw them was wide awake, Kate was asleep.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

About Claire, I think when Kate saw her she was really dead, all the other occurances of 'dead' losties showing up the person who saw them was wide awake, Kate was asleep.

She was astral projecting then.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

The producers have said that season 4 is about how they got off the island, season 5 is about getting back onto the island, and 6 is about what happens when they get back.
Thanks. I thought that season 5 would have them back on the island and I couldn't figure out what they'd do for season 6. I wonder how the island and the people there will figure into the show.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I thought the episode was pretty good, although not as good as the season three finale. Three things I'm not so sure about...

1. I thought Locke being the one in the casket was a little obvious.
2. I hope they give a good explanation for the frozen donkey wheel. It seemed out of place.
3. The fact that they ALL have to go back to the island seemed a little hokey.

Lost really hasn't let me down yet, so I think that good explanations will be provided for all of the above. Now we wait...
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

Excellent. That was quite a tense, suspenseful, shocking two hours of action-adventure. I really enjoyed this episode and this season.

A lot of lingering questions--most raised this season were answered--who were the Oceanic Six(Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, Sun), Why did these Six survive, how far ahead were the furthest flash forwards(3 years), how were they going to move the island(The Orchid), who was in the coffin(John Locke), why was Abaddon visiting Hurley(to learn what occurred on the island since Widmore can't find it now and hadn't heard from Martin or the Kahana), how the polar bear wound up in Tunisia(was a guinea pig in the Orchid experiment).

I anxiously waited to see what was in the Orchid and how they actually would move the island. We saw how he moved the island but I still don't understand what that dial/crank was or how it moved the island or where a man-made crank came from or why it was cold in the "heart" of the island?

We all knew the island was going to move but to actually see it was one of my favorite moments in the two hours. I also found the whole sequence before it to be exciting such as the chaos on the freighter

Widmore never heard from Martin because he is dead or the freighter so didn't know it exploded so he sent Abaddon to Hurley to get answers and find out what happened. Ben has not been back to the island since he left it at the same time as the Six did and the island disappeared. Does he know where it went? We also were treated to more context to what led up to his appearing in Tunisia in "The Shape of Things to Come"--he wasn't in some sort of struggle and suffered a gunshot wound but what we were actually not aware of at the time was he had just completed turning the dial to move the island and his wound on his arm was from falling down a fragile ladder frozen solid that broke.

I loved all the twists and turns and setbacks and toying with the audience the writers did in these two hours and even the previous hour in how the six became the Oceanic Six. I really enjoyed seeing this unfold and how it all came together. The helicopter makes it off the island. They think they are going home finally. Huh oh the helicopter is losing fuel because in the middle of the firefight a stray bullet or two between the Others and the mercenaries struck the chopper(That was one of the nice things about it-- all the complications/setbacks within the story made sense and felt natural). They make it to the freighter to only have enough time to tape the leaks and re-fuel before heading back to the island where they realize the best they can hope for is to have enough fuel and give up on getting home this time.

You just knew when Frank said they needed to lose a few hundred pounds the camera would focus on Hurley's face but Sawyer, continuing to be the nice guy, jumps out after whispering his request in Kate's ear referred to in "Something Nice Back Home". I appreciated that they mentioned the second island and Jack considered it as a possible aternative site to land and I appreciated the writers letting us know it disappeared along with the main island clearing that up nicely.

The writers were by now getting closer to whittling it down to the Six but there was still Desmond and Frank to deal with. Then that boat appeared which at first struck me as a bit forced given how all this time this region hadn't had much in the way of traffic. It did echo back to the encounter Sawyer/Walt/Jin/Michael had with the Others in "Exodus" so I wondered if there was something ominous about then when it was revealed it was Penny I let the writers off the hook. It made sense that she would find him since she had been looking for him along with the call he made to her in "The Constant" helped. So I liked from there you got to the Six--Desmond and Frank weren't on the passenger manifest so obviously they couldn't be a part of the survivors group. And of course, Desmond would want to remain with Penny. So that worked out nicely. I wonder if Desmond will be put aside like Michael was until it is time to get back to him as they develop the other story threads. Afterall I definitely see him being brought back into given Ben's vendetta against Widmore and his vow to kill Penny. That could also bring Sayid and Desmond into odds which would be interesting given their recent bonding this season. Afterall, Ben doesn't like doing his dirty work and Sayid has been his agent in wiping out the various threats. Also as we saw in "The Constant", Desmond is Daniel's Constant and we didn't see that play out this season so that is out there as well. And speaking of Daniel, I wonder what he is going to do in the raft? Wil he be able to make it to some island?

I also liked how the island disappearing explains why the Six were willing to leave behind the other survivors and not try to go back for them-- the answer:they weren't willing and they couldn't go back for them because there was *nothing* to go back to it and they had no idea where to begin to look for them. This is the most interesting and satisfying situation theycould have set up. All the Six could do is try to get on with their own lives. That had to have been very diffcult.

I also liked how it made for a chaotic bittersweet situation. They get off the island but there is no chance for good-byes or closure with each other. Jack left Juliet behind and all they had was an argument. The Oceanic survivors don't know that Jack, Kate, Aaron, Sun, Hurley survived. They'll assume they perished in the explosion. Kate doesn't know if Sawyer made it back to the island alright. Sun just witnessed the death of her husband in a fireball. Frank has to feel guilty in having to leave those people behind in order to try to safeguard the lives on the chopper. Juliet was so close to finally getting to return home to Rachel was stolen from her. The Six pretty much were thrown into this under not the most idealistic circumstances. They don't know what happened to Claire. Now all they have is a bunch of unanswered questions. I found it interesting that what started out as a hopeful time ended up being a depressing mess--their only way off the island destroyed, mercenaries running amuck on the island, loved ones presumably blown up.

Still though a lot of unanswered questions lingering--
If this wasn't the first time the island was moved, where is its origin?
Where did the island go? Did it just move through time into the past but simply remained in the same location?
Who was the last person to move the island?
Who is Halliwell--the name on the Orchid arctic coat Ben was wearing?
What are the whispers?
Who is Richard? Why doesn't he age?
What bad things happened on the island since they left?
I love the new more ruthless Sun. She is no longer a wallflower. I hope to see more of this Sun in the future. Who is the other person besides her father does she blame for Jin's "death"?(Is he even dead? Did he survive or get off the freighter in time?) Jack says Sun blames him so she might have been referring to Jack. If so, he better watch out. And I would actually like that.
Who is Kelvin?
What is the implant in Claire?
Why did Charlotte remain voluntarily on the island?
Was the island moved only forward or backward in time but left in the same spot?
Where did Sayid take Hurley?
Was Hurley really playing chess with Eko?
What bad things happened on the island since the Six had left?
Is John becoming the leader of the Others setting up the conflict that he referred to in season one with the survivors?
Why wasn't Frank the pilot on 815 on the day it crashed?
Why did smoke monster kill Seth the pilot?
Who killed Locke?

It looks like this is it for Michael. I'm fine with that. He came back got his closure and served his role in the story admirably. I guess both the Lost writers and the island were through with him. I suspect the helicopter crash helped Jack coming up with the cover story. Martin sure didn't know Ben if he thought threatening the lives of the 815 survivors would hold any sway over him. Loved seeing Kate working with the Others to free Ben.

I also liked the allusions back to season one as well. The episode boasted quite a few nice visuals and big stunts like the destruction of the Kahana or the chopper crashing or the island's disappearance. I also noticed in the repeat of Part I there were a few added scenes such as revealing that the other three in their cover story was Boone, Libby and Charlie.

This was a better finale than Exodus and Live Together, Die Alone both as season finales and cliffhangers and is on par or maybe slightly better than last year's finale and cliffhanger.

I'd give this season overall an A-. My favorite episods were Confirmed Dead, The Economist, The Shape of Things to Come and this three part finale.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

B+ Pretty darn good.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

Sigh. It's now been TWO YEARS since we were introduced to the Statue, and the fact that there was an ancient historic advanced culture there. And we still haven't learned anything about them.
Plus Sayid, Jin, and Sun have never even MENTIONED that statue, at least not on-screen. Based on the fact that our Losties very rarely share information with each other, I'm guessing they're still the only 3 people who even know about, outside of the Others.

LOL, I must be the only Lost fan who doesn't really care about the freakin statue. It just seemed to be more for effect than anything-- to show that the island has has a very strange and mysterious past. I never really expected the show to explain it.

Anyway, I gotta agree this was a fantastic episode. For me, the Others vs Soldiers and Sayeed vs Keamy fight were probably the coolest sequences I've seen since the "Adama maneuver" on BSG last year.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

The cave is the pre-existing ancient Native ruins where they harnessed the same pocket to move the Island as need be. So it's just like the cave Ben used to summon Cerebus. And the Four-Toed Statue.

Sigh. It's now been TWO YEARS since we were introduced to the Statue, and the fact that there was an ancient historic advanced culture there. And we still haven't learned anything about them.

I think given the various ancient oddities around the Island and the fact that it can move that it's supposed to be Atlantis. It's an ancient culture with advanced technology and immense power whose island suddenly disappeared. Atlantis was described by Plato as a large island continent with a huge central mountain, so maybe the Island in Lost is simply the mountaintop and the rest sunk beneath the waves.

This episode was completely awesome by the way. I rated it an excellent.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I thought it was good. Answered a lot of questions, and above all it was entertaining.

I hope the red shirt islanders are dead, because the scripts treatment of them is just getting embarrassing. There's a bomb on the boat... and they don't tell anyone. Despite the fact that the boat has life rafts and life preservers. No one thought it was a good idea to warn the red shirts or the ships crew? The copter lands and the only person they pick up is Sun and the baby.


Keamy coming back was a bit lame. The others shoot him in the back and just walk away not checking if he was still alive or not? I hope there's some explanation... like it was really cerebrus or something like that, but then the dead mans switch wouldn't have worked. I dunno, the whole segment with the jungle others was kind of lame.

I think Jin is still alive. The the zodiac will find him, then the math nerd guy, whatever his name is, will calculate the correct path to the new island. Like someone said, it just makes better drama to have Jin alive if Sun becomes a villain. (Although I'm guessing not, since they'll probably make her a double agent or something.)
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this, but it's worth noting that the newspaper clipping prop from "Through the Looking Glass" turned out to be true. "J- -ntham" became Jeremy Bentham.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

Excellent...

I like the Atlantis idea, it's the one which best fits the facts so far lol... for what THAT's worth on this fracking show, of course...:rolleyes:

...actually, it would be Lemuria since it's in the Pacific, right? :D
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Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I like the Atlantis idea, it's the one which best fits the facts so far lol... for what THAT's worth on this fracking show, of course...:rolleyes:

...actually, it would be Lemuria since it's in the Pacific, right? :D

If it can move, it doesn't really matter. Mu, Lemuria, Ogygia, Avalon, Atlantis, and any other "Lost" continents or islands can all be the same island, just called different things over time as it entered the mythology of different ancient societies.
 
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Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this, but it's worth noting that the newspaper clipping prop from "Through the Looking Glass" turned out to be true. "J- -ntham" became Jeremy Bentham.
Good to know. Thanks. I figured it was just a prop clipping and never thought tthat what was written on it would matter.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I also liked how the island disappearing explains why the Six were willing to leave behind the other survivors and not try to go back for them-- the answer:they weren't willing and they couldn't go back for them because there was *nothing* to go back to it and they had no idea where to begin to look for them. This is the most interesting and satisfying situation theycould have set up. All the Six could do is try to get on with their own lives. That had to have been very diffcult.
That was one of the big questions on my mind as well since the season premiere. Why did the six abandon everyone else? They didn't.

That leaves another question though. Why is Jack feeling guilty about lying? He did everything he could, he can't just go back to the island, and the cover-up is for a greater good for both themselves and the island. They've been hinting at the fact that there's more going on and it looks like we'll find out what it is next season.

Oh, and I thought the donkey wheel looked fine. It didn't bug me and I didn't question it much. How it works is certainly up for discussion tho.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

The donkey wheel was a bit weird for me. If I don't understand how it works - or how it got there ...

I mean, is this supposed to be something ancient? is it extraterrestrial? Did Dharma know about it?
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

^ I just accepted that it was something ancient put there by someone else from another era. Who knows, we may even find out more about it along with the foot. Dharma knows about it too. They did build a station over it. If I had to complain about something though, it's the fact there was nothing to the procedure beyond turning it.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

The donkey wheel was a bit weird for me. If I don't understand how it works - or how it got there ...

I mean, is this supposed to be something ancient? is it extraterrestrial? Did Dharma know about it?

Ben made it pretty clear that Dharma was just a bunch of hippies running silly experiments harnessing powers they never truly understood. They built the various hatches over preexisting ancient devices and energy sources and then patted themselves on the back for their ingenuity.

There appeared to be ancient writing over the wheel under a coating of ice, but it was hard to tell. So I'm assuming that whoever built the donkey wheel were the same ancient people who built the temple and the four-toed statue.
 
Re: Lost Season Four Finale: "There's No Place Like Home, Parts II & I

I'm not convinced Claire is actually dead. Same for Michael and Jin (I have a feeling Jacob saved them).

If Claire isn't dead, then they are intentionally misleading us to believe she is. Which the writers are certainly capable of doing.

The more I think about Michael though, the more I think he is dead. I think Christian appearing to him right before the explosion was the island letting Michael know that he had completed the work the island had for him.

And Locke is probably dead at that moment in time, but will come back to life when they return to the Island.

Agreed.
 
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