Question about Trip's death

[Trippy]

Here's hoping the Enterprise-D holodeck had been tweaked or misprogrammed by Reg Barclay. That's the only explanation that makes any real sense.

He did it while he was a spider.... I mean, that shit makes sense to spiders!

Thanks for making me laugh when thinking of this !$%^&* episode!

 

[erastus25]

Time had passed,Ent was on it's way to the graveyard, Starfleet had grown and there were many more engineers who had defied the laws of physics by this point. We never saw much proof on screen that Trip grew as a character so I imagine he was still impulsive and loyal which is what we saw in his death.Some people are that way others grow and lose their lovable qualities.

You make an excellent point here. The idea that Trip played out of character could very easily be written off with the "We haven't seen him for 6 years - he's changed" explanation. I'm not advocating taking that stance - I'm just pointing out that it's a possible explanation for seemingly erratic behavior.

 

[cooleddie74]

Here's hoping the Enterprise-D holodeck had been tweaked or misprogrammed by Reg Barclay. That's the only explanation that makes any real sense.

He did it while he was a spider.... I mean, that shit makes sense to spiders!

Thanks for making me laugh when thinking of this !$%^&* episode!

I doubt the finale would make sense to people on heroin benders.

 

[Pensive]

He did it while he was a spider.... I mean, that shit makes sense to spiders!

Thanks for making me laugh when thinking of this !$%^&* episode!

 

[garakfan]

Guys, lets get this right:....Trip DID NOT DIE in the final episode. This was a holodeck adventure, essentially a videogame. No one said that this was how it actually happened. Play the game again and it might have a different ending.

 

[Jax]

Trip's death was forced so much and the writing to it was quite poor. I am a big fan of ENT but TATV was very bad.

However just becasue I didn't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen after all ENT was and is just a TV show so sadly whatever the writers write no matter how bad is FACT.

 

[SFRabid]

My first thought when I saw that episode, "What did he do to piss off the writers so much?"

 

[cooleddie74]

One didn't have to piss Brannon Braga off to get the short end of the stick. Just be inserted into one of his regular scripts.

 

[RandyS]

Because everything he did was completely out of character, and the manner in which he died was completely contrived. Then, just to add insult to injury, none of his friends and crewmates for the last ten years really seemed to care all that much.

How was it out of character? That's the part I'm most confused about. And Archer and T'Pol definitely seemed to care during that scene in his quarters. I will agree that it was contrived, but it sent a message of honor, loyalty and nobility and I forgave it as a result. I mean, the deaths of Spock and Dax were contrived as well, but those are forgiven.

Well, that's the thing. It WASN'T out of character. It was 100% in character. Trip was an obnoxoius jerk who never did anything but shoot his mouth off, and hated Vulcans. He never thought anything through, and this time, his impulsiviness got him killed in the most moronic way imaginable. The guy basically committted suicide for nothing. Reed's security team (who must have been off somewhere having tea) COULD have taken these aliens out, but.....they were nowhere to be seen. Bad writing.

His death was admittedly poorly written, but ironically, COMPLETELY in character.

 

[Captain X]

I don't know what show you watched, but it must've been completely different from the one I saw.

 

[KayArr]

What always bothered me about Trip's death was how dramatically arbitrary it seemed. Enterprise had been boarded before; Trip had been captured before; there were MACOs and a security team that were almost certainly on their way. And yet, Trip is unable to think of any other way to thwart the bad guys than blowing himself up? It's not particularly intuitive, this notion that he's gotten out of worse scraps without resorting to kamazake techniques but must resort to self-sacrifice now.

Perfectly expressed.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The only minutely feasible reason for Trips behaviour that I can plumb or fathom is that during the four years we bunny hopped over, that we missed Trips courtship of Johnny and their ongoing big gay love affair because only someone too deeply idiotically in love with someone else can call what he did even a marginal choice from the given options available.

I think it's pretty crap that they could have mounted a possy to chase Enterprise if reed was a halfway decent soldier boy, that he didn't use stun grenades to begin with and not hobble the lot of them before leaving if not find their ships and blow them up before they set course to follow Enterprise who must not have masked their warp trail of altered the warp field harmoics thingy like that time they looked like a Klingon ship from a distance...

Rank armatures.

 

[cooleddie74]

I guess between 2155 and 2161 the tragedy of Trip and T'Pol losing their daughter led to him becoming a total druggie and spazz and wigging out whenever the smallest crisis or incident reared its head. And apparently the MACOs and ship's security did something awful that got them kicked off the ship.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Guys, lets get this right:....Trip DID NOT DIE in the final episode. This was a holodeck adventure, essentially a videogame. No one said that this was how it actually happened. Play the game again and it might have a different ending.

But it seems to suggest that he did. And when that episode aired, no one planned on writing a book to say otherwise.

Then again, everyone was dead by the events of TATV anyway.

 

[Blueicus]

I think Guy hit the nail on the head... clearly Trip and Archer had some sort of affair which resulted in the ambivalent attitude Tucker and T'pol had for each other and the fact that they never pursued their relationship. Also explains why Trip was so frazzed and sacrificed his life to save Archer.

 

[pookha]

Here's hoping the Enterprise-D holodeck had been tweaked or misprogrammed by Reg Barclay. That's the only explanation that makes any real sense.

He did it while he was a spider.... I mean, that shit makes sense to spiders!

Thanks for making me laugh when thinking of this !$%^&* episode!

oh yeah i forgot spider barclay..
maybe he had a relapse..

 

[cooleddie74]

He did it while he was a spider.... I mean, that shit makes sense to spiders!

Thanks for making me laugh when thinking of this !$%^&* episode!

oh yeah i forgot spider barclay..
maybe he had a relapse..

Might explain why he was an even BIGGER puss and spazz in those VOYAGER episodes.

 

[erastus25]

Thanks for making me laugh when thinking of this !$%^&* episode!

oh yeah i forgot spider barclay..
maybe he had a relapse..

Might explain why he was an even BIGGER puss and spazz in those VOYAGER episodes.

I enjoy that my thread about Trip's death has degenerated into a Barclay hate fest.

 

[angie]

Anna is right Trip did die.There was no little disclaimer added that said tune in to books writtens by fanboys for those of you who can't accept the truth.

 

[commodore64]

Cooleddie: I guess between 2155 and 2161 the tragedy of Trip and T'Pol losing their daughter led to him becoming a total druggie and spazz and wigging out whenever the smallest crisis or incident reared its head.

Well, hey, it happened to T'Pol in season 3/4 .... What's trellium for the goose is a case of the suicidal-dumbs for the gander.

And apparently the MACOs and ship's security did something awful that got them kicked off the ship.

We really didn't see them so much after season 3, so I'm guessing they got so boring they were written out. I wish that had happened in season 3 when they were so two-dimensional I didn't care about them.

Randy S., I find your opinions unique and good on ya for speaking them. I hope you stick around.

Erastus. Awww, I will never complain about Barclay. He was a great character b/c he was the anti-hero. It's probably why they had the actor as a guest star on the show so frequently to reprise his whimpily lovable character.