The 37's: Rating and Discussion
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Did we not skip a whole bunch of episodes?
Mrs Paris
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yep, I thought it would be more interesting to jump around a bit. Last week was the first episode of the first season, this week is the first episode of the second season....I'll let you guess what next week's will beDid we not skip a whole bunch of episodes?
Mrs Paris
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I always wondered if this episode was set a few seasons later if a few people would have wanted to stay behind. It makes sense that less then a year out, nobody would want to stay, there were still optimistic about finding a shortcut, but what if it was like in the 5th or 6th season when it was clear that they realy were in for a long journey. Would people have stayed behind then?
Sharron Lawrence is yummy. 
Mrs Paris
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Sharron Lawrence is yummy.
I hated her hair, her wig was worse than kes's
I gave it a 2. I thought it was a contrived mess. The whole scene with that stupid rusted truck just seemed stupid. Almost like the producers are saying "Look at our characters. They're from the future! They don't get modern technology!"
And, to me, the whole Amelia Earhart thing was nothing more than a plot device created so that UPN could run wankish commercials intended to attract attention from casual fans.
And, to me, the whole Amelia Earhart thing was nothing more than a plot device created so that UPN could run wankish commercials intended to attract attention from casual fans.
Well they did make quite a bit of progress in four years and were more like a family so I guess they still would.
Mrs Paris
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"I think you'll find this is manure! <sniff, sniff> HORSE manure!
An episode that have its good moments.
The main plot where Voyager happens to run into descendants of humans who were abducted from Earth in the 20th century including Amelia Earhardt is actually too unrealistic. Still an interesting perspective with those humans in the Delta Quadrant and sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Voyager and the whole crew had stayed there. Maybe they had helped the humans on the planet to create a new Federation on the other side of the galaxy and that could have given us many good episodes and books
However, the scene when Janeway and Chakotay enters the Cargo Bay to say goodbye to those who have decided to remain on the planet and there's no one there who wants to leave is one of Voyager's finest moments.
I'll give the episode 7 points out of 10
The main plot where Voyager happens to run into descendants of humans who were abducted from Earth in the 20th century including Amelia Earhardt is actually too unrealistic. Still an interesting perspective with those humans in the Delta Quadrant and sometimes I wonder what would have happened if Voyager and the whole crew had stayed there. Maybe they had helped the humans on the planet to create a new Federation on the other side of the galaxy and that could have given us many good episodes and books
However, the scene when Janeway and Chakotay enters the Cargo Bay to say goodbye to those who have decided to remain on the planet and there's no one there who wants to leave is one of Voyager's finest moments.
I'll give the episode 7 points out of 10
Sometimes Voyager was very heavy handed in some of the stories they did causing a few to go way over the top, this was one of those eps.
Only two things stand out in this ep. for me, Sharon Lawerance & Tuvok's reaction to the truck backfiring in the cargo bay. Other than that, it's pretty much a waste of good film.
Only two things stand out in this ep. for me, Sharon Lawerance & Tuvok's reaction to the truck backfiring in the cargo bay. Other than that, it's pretty much a waste of good film.
The cargo bay scene was lovely. The build-up and anticipation before they opened the doors was really well done.
6 from me, it had it's moments but suffers from campyness.
I'd give anything with Sharon Lawrence a 10. In fact, there were only two reasons I watched this episode at all -- first, because Lawrence was in it, and second, my morbid curiosity to see what they did with the Earhart legend.
On the second point, I was disappointed but not surprised. Those who want to admire Earhart as a feminist icon have ample reason to do so; in general, she was ahead of her time on those issues. But she was at best a mediocre pilot, and I think I'm being pretty generous in saying even that. And while it's far from politically correct to point this out, while she was alive most of her contemporaries regarded her as a dilettante, and quite a few actually hated her guts.
As for Fred Noonan's "drinking problem," there's no reliable contemporary evidence to imply that he had one; this "urban legend" appears to have sprung into existence from an obscenely reverential hagiography written about Earhart in the late 1960s. Film of Noonan taken just before he and AE took on their last flight shows a guy who isn't staggering around or showing any other signs of intoxication or even of being mildly buzzed -- instead, he simply looks like a guy who's had his morning coffee and is ready to go to work. His role in the flight was long-range navigation -- basically, he was supposed to get them close enough to Howland Island for them to receive radio transmissions, after which Earhart was supposed to use the plane's radio direction-finding gear to guide them the rest of the way in. Noonan did his job, Earhart didn't, and they both died because of it. Nor was this unusual for Earhart -- her entire career was marked by careless accidents, "go fever," and lackluster preparation coupled with the belief that if problems arose, she could just figure them out as she went along.
I would have expected something like "the 37s" as a TV episode or movie done a generation ago. But I would have hoped that viewers and writers today were more sophisticated, and cared a little more about facts. I'm not talking about the nitpicking continuity and canon debates Trek fans sometimes get into (did Zephram Cochrane take one or two lumps of sugar in his coffee?), I'm just pointing out that these particular characters were real historical persons. Hey, no need to get into Earhart's deficiencies -- on the whole, I really had no problem with how her character was written. (I never said she was a horrible person, just that she was careless and had a lot to learn about flying an airplane.) But they could have easily portrayed Noonan simply as a competent, intelligent person with reactions similar to those of AE -- fear and "WTF?" at first, followed by some degree of awe and wonder. Instead, they went for the cheap shot and showed a staggering, flask-toting, wild-eyed maniac. The irony of it is that the real Noonan contributed far more to aviation than Earhart ever could have, but will always be undeservedly remembered as "Amelia Earhart's drunken navigator."
So, rating was a 10 for Lawrence; 0 for everything else -- I averaged them and voted "5." Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm not related to Fred Noonan, have never met his family, etc.
In fact, there were only two reasons I watched this episode at all -- first, because Lawrence was in it, and second, my morbid curiosity to see what they did with the Earhart legend.On the second point, I was disappointed but not surprised. Those who want to admire Earhart as a feminist icon have ample reason to do so; in general, she was ahead of her time on those issues. But she was at best a mediocre pilot, and I think I'm being pretty generous in saying even that. And while it's far from politically correct to point this out, while she was alive most of her contemporaries regarded her as a dilettante, and quite a few actually hated her guts.
As for Fred Noonan's "drinking problem," there's no reliable contemporary evidence to imply that he had one; this "urban legend" appears to have sprung into existence from an obscenely reverential hagiography written about Earhart in the late 1960s. Film of Noonan taken just before he and AE took on their last flight shows a guy who isn't staggering around or showing any other signs of intoxication or even of being mildly buzzed -- instead, he simply looks like a guy who's had his morning coffee and is ready to go to work. His role in the flight was long-range navigation -- basically, he was supposed to get them close enough to Howland Island for them to receive radio transmissions, after which Earhart was supposed to use the plane's radio direction-finding gear to guide them the rest of the way in. Noonan did his job, Earhart didn't, and they both died because of it. Nor was this unusual for Earhart -- her entire career was marked by careless accidents, "go fever," and lackluster preparation coupled with the belief that if problems arose, she could just figure them out as she went along.
I would have expected something like "the 37s" as a TV episode or movie done a generation ago. But I would have hoped that viewers and writers today were more sophisticated, and cared a little more about facts. I'm not talking about the nitpicking continuity and canon debates Trek fans sometimes get into (did Zephram Cochrane take one or two lumps of sugar in his coffee?), I'm just pointing out that these particular characters were real historical persons. Hey, no need to get into Earhart's deficiencies -- on the whole, I really had no problem with how her character was written. (I never said she was a horrible person, just that she was careless and had a lot to learn about flying an airplane.) But they could have easily portrayed Noonan simply as a competent, intelligent person with reactions similar to those of AE -- fear and "WTF?" at first, followed by some degree of awe and wonder. Instead, they went for the cheap shot and showed a staggering, flask-toting, wild-eyed maniac. The irony of it is that the real Noonan contributed far more to aviation than Earhart ever could have, but will always be undeservedly remembered as "Amelia Earhart's drunken navigator."
So, rating was a 10 for Lawrence; 0 for everything else -- I averaged them and voted "5." Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm not related to Fred Noonan, have never met his family, etc.
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I liked this episode, except that I think not showing the tour of the '37's city which was supposedly 'impressive' was a cop-out. To make a fair decision on staying with Voyager vs. leaving, to see the temptation, I wished they showed what the city looked like.
The idea of a DQ Federation-type organization is pretty cool, I would've liked to see that.
The idea of a DQ Federation-type organization is pretty cool, I would've liked to see that.
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