WHAT IF: Kirk on the Dominion War

[Emperor-Tiberius]

For a minute, lets suspend disbelief. Lets say, that either by surviving GEN alive, or by means described in THE RETURN and AVENGER novels, James T. Kirk survived in the 24th century, and was, by the time of the Dominion War, was living out his life, in either Earth or Chal (Kirk's home from AVENGER on)...

What would he have done? What would you have the character do? What do you think he could've offered to the Federation's war with the Dominion?

Again, this a what-if, fanhawk thread. Just talking.

Well?

 

[RobertScorpio]

For a minute, lets suspend disbelief. Lets say, that either by surviving GEN alive, or by means described in THE RETURN and AVENGER novels, James T. Kirk survived in the 24th century, and was, by the time of the Dominion War, was living out his life, in either Earth or Chal (Kirk's home from AVENGER on)...

What would he have done? What would you have the character do? What do you think he could've offered to the Federation's war with the Dominion?

Again, this a what-if, fanhawk thread. Just talking.

Well?

I like this kind of what if, so good post. I have often wondered about this very question. Had Kirk lived, and not gone on in the Shatnerverse, what would he have done? I think he would have remained friends with Picard. I also think he would try to get up to Romulus and find Spock.

But would he have gone back to Starfleet? And, more importantly, would he have wanted to? I mean, I like Picard, but Kirk was from a more less restrictive time. I don't think he would have liked the stuffy blandness that Picard's time became.

But..when the Dominion war started? I could see him with Admiral Ross somewhere planning strategy. Kirk,after a time, would have gotten along with Martok I bet.

This is a damn good question. There should be a book based on a more 'active' Kirk post-Generations rather than all of the cloak and dagger stuff Shatner had him do. I would read a book series like this with out a doubt!

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Mr. Fergy]

I like Kirk (Don't like Shatner), but Kirk in the 24 century, is a man out of time.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

... Which is precisely what makes this an interesting guess.

What would a 23rd century Starfleet officer do in a situation like this? What would Kirk do, in a situation like the Dominion War?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I have always felt that out of all the Trek captains, Sisko and Kirk were the most alike.

Picard was very stuffy and 'by the book'...Janeway was very 'by her version of the book'...but Sisko and Kirk were the most likely to bend the rules and even rewrite the book, if necessary.

We don't really have much of an understanding of what Picard and Co. were doing during the bulk of the Dominion War...but we know doggone well what Sisko was doing during the War. And I could easily have seen Kirk make most of the same decisions.

I think Kirk would have been entirely in his element in the Dominion War because as Sisko showed us, the objective was clear...but the way to reach that objective was open to a fair amount of 'creativity in the problem-solving process'.

And that is what Kirk did best.

 

[Mr. Fergy]

... Which is precisely what makes this an interesting guess.

What would a 23rd century Starfleet officer do in a situation like this? What would Kirk do, in a situation like the Dominion War?

I do't know... Kirk is simply too much of a loose cannon and probably be drummed out of 24TH Century Starfleet for it.

 

[-Brett-]

We pretty much saw what Kirk would do in Generations.

He'd whine, and balk, and drag his feet for a while, but either out of a sense of duty or boredom with retirement, he'd eventually go back to Starfleet.

For Starfleets part, they'd probably send him to the academy for a refresher course and put him through a few simulations to make sure he's still got it, then give him a ship. There'd probably be a few Janeway's among the higher ups, but in a time like the Dominion war, they'd be slapped down pretty quick.

 

[Rabittooth]

He'd go back to Starfleet...and would eventually look like this:

http://www.rabittooth.com/kirklives.jpg



-Rabittooth

 

[Snaploud]

He'd go back to Starfleet...and would eventually look like this:

http://www.rabittooth.com/kirklives.jpg



-Rabittooth

So, he found his way into the Babylon 5 universe and became a Psi Cop...?

 

[Jono]

I guess it could be interesting.

But he is 80 years behind the times. He would need significant retraining in current Federation technology, tactics, rules and regs, the geo-political landscape, and other areas before he could be really useful as a someone to assist in strategic planning, let along command a vessel.

WHat does Kirk know about Cardassians, their mindset, the strength and weaknesses of their warships, starship and fleet tactics? Maybe a little or nothing, depending on when the Feds first made contact with the Union. He won't know anything about the Dominion and any information he has about the Romulans and Klingons would be extremely dated.

Though I do think he would want to be involved. To be on the bridge making a difference. I agree that he would be more willing to push the boundaries of Federation morality to achieve victory then say Picard.

 

[trash80]

If he met Sisko he would say "Haven't i met you someplace before?"

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

I do't know... Kirk is simply too much of a loose cannon and probably be drummed out of 24TH Century Starfleet for it.

Is he really? I know this is a common perception of the character, which is perpetuated by mentions in later shows, but thats never the impression I got of Kirk from TOS.

 

[trash80]

Kirk would be an amazing asset for Star Fleet, even if he just gave inspirational talks to starry eyed cadets or battle weary officers.

 

[Navaros]

Kirk would have been redundant because the Sisko had become the new Kirk, and was man enough to do what was necessary in war-time. Just as Kirk would have done. With Kirk there too, there would have been two men on the bridge doing the same exact darn thing.

Although, Kirk definitely would have been needed IMO if the Dominion War happened under Picard or Janeway's watch, seeing as they would not have been able to do what was necessary, like the Sisko and Kirk could.

 

[Photon]

Kirk would have been redundant because the Sisko had become the new Kirk, and was man enough to do what was necessary in war-time. Just as Kirk would have done. With Kirk there too, there would have been two men on the bridge doing the same exact darn thing.

Although, Kirk definitely would have been needed IMO if the Dominion War happened under Picard or Janeway's watch, seeing as they would not have been able to do what was necessary, like the Sisko and Kirk could.

Exactly. Sisko is the modern day JT Kirk (except for all the beddings). Give Kirk command of an Akira class w/a cloak and let he and the Defiant and the Rotarian go. Kick Ass!

 

[Mr. Fergy]

If he met Sisko he would say "Haven't i met you someplace before?"

True.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I have always felt that out of all the Trek captains, Sisko and Kirk were the most alike.

Picard was very stuffy and 'by the book'...Janeway was very 'by her version of the book'...but Sisko and Kirk were the most likely to bend the rules and even rewrite the book, if necessary.

We don't really have much of an understanding of what Picard and Co. were doing during the bulk of the Dominion War...but we know doggone well what Sisko was doing during the War. And I could easily have seen Kirk make most of the same decisions.

I think Kirk would have been entirely in his element in the Dominion War because as Sisko showed us, the objective was clear...but the way to reach that objective was open to a fair amount of 'creativity in the problem-solving process'.

And that is what Kirk did best.

Oh, we know what Picard was doing. He was screwing around with a race of midgets, wearing a wig, while Betazed and, eventually Earth, were being attacked. They (Starfleet) had Picard right where they wanted him..out of the way.

Rob

 

[Mr. Fergy]

I do't know... Kirk is simply too much of a loose cannon and probably be drummed out of 24TH Century Starfleet for it.

Is he really? I know this is a common perception of the character, which is perpetuated by mentions in later shows, but thats never the impression I got of Kirk from TOS.

But him in the 24th century universe with all the regs and conservatism of the era? I don't know, it'll be interesting if Kirk is successful.

 

[Anwar]

I have always felt that out of all the Trek captains, Sisko and Kirk were the most alike.

Picard was very stuffy and 'by the book'...Janeway was very 'by her version of the book'...but Sisko and Kirk were the most likely to bend the rules and even rewrite the book, if necessary.

We don't really have much of an understanding of what Picard and Co. were doing during the bulk of the Dominion War...but we know doggone well what Sisko was doing during the War. And I could easily have seen Kirk make most of the same decisions.

I think Kirk would have been entirely in his element in the Dominion War because as Sisko showed us, the objective was clear...but the way to reach that objective was open to a fair amount of 'creativity in the problem-solving process'.

And that is what Kirk did best.

Oh, we know what Picard was doing. He was screwing around with a race of midgets, wearing a wig, while Betazed and, eventually Earth, were being attacked. They (Starfleet) had Picard right where they wanted him..out of the way.

Rob

Wasn't INS happening while the negotiations for the final peace treaty were happening?

And anyways, if you take the novels into consideration Picard and co were fighting an awful lot too.

 

[Red Ranger]

Easy. He would've seduced some hot Vorta women to find out the secrets of the Dominion! -- RR