Just combine For All Mankind and Star Trek
imagine a tv show where its like for all kind and star trek combined
a tv show where federation and starfleet was actually founded in 1947 after tons of aliens from outer space landed on earth in rosewell new mexico
… you really need to watch DS9 before making these kinds of comments.
The thing about having an Enterprise-type ship is that you can do medical, archeological, and engineering stories. And murder mysteries, war stories, and comedy episodes.
You are, of course, correct!
I guess it would really just be marketing. It's that "give them the same story, but different" thing that is apparently gospel to screenwriters. It's superficially different enough to hopefully give the creative people some new ideas, and hook viewers.
To get a little deeper into it... fans have brought up the possibility of a medical Star Trek series around here many times over the years. I think the main problem there is that real world medical shows have a framework of reality to base themselves in. There's a lot of fudging and made up stuff, but the basics of real world diseases, medicine, hospital procedures, etc, don't have to be invented from scratch, and it's not too difficult to keep the basics consistent. That's not the case with Star Trek. They'd have to make up almost everything, and they have a bad track record when it comes to staying consistent. They'll use the transporter one week to solve a problem then never think of it again when something similar comes up.
Then there's the scientific wonkiness of all those hybrid characters like Spock. In medical situations he's generally treated as a Vulcan, but it should be a lot more complicated than that.
In a regular Star Trek series, the fact that they aren't consistent in medical matters doesn't matter so much when medical stories come along once a year. Getting it right every week would be a lot more challenging.
Then there's the scientific wonkiness of all those hybrid characters like Spock. In medical situations he's generally treated as a Vulcan, but it should be a lot more complicated than that.
In a regular Star Trek series, the fact that they aren't consistent in medical matters doesn't matter so much when medical stories come along once a year. Getting it right every week would be a lot more challenging.
This is my own preference. You don't have to like it - but it's what's been playing on my mind.
In the same universe - timeline to be a more familiar one. A group of officers who are comfortable in their current posts are suddenly reassigned to a ship with a likeable CO who is fairly closed on whether they do or don't want to be there too. (If you are in the UK - think Met Police tenure of 30 years ago when officers were put back into uniform from their current roles). The ship's mission changes suddenly due to events in the early part of the first season. They work a regular part of space but bump into the same recurring characters often, part of other alien cultures or another political alliance similar to the Federation. EDIT: Can we have another multiworld political alliance that is mutlspecies but NOT evil or a crime syndicate please?
Perhaps they - as a whole crew - under CO orders, or individually, play a bit elastic with the mission parameters or Starfleet rules to achieve the mission, in a good way. The officers begin to cohere - or not - as a crew. There are casualties along the way too. I'm fine with a bit of Ellen Landry / Spooks MI5 deep fat fryer kill off.
Yep - I know there are bits of the premise of Sisko and DS9, Mariner, Cerritos and second contact, Caleb Mir, the Maquis, the discovery of the wormhole, Babylon 5, etc all in there. Pick the best aspects of the way that these were done, drop the worst aspects, and throw in something new, with new writers. The aesthetic, uniforms, design of the Federation can be different. Keep the core 5 or 6 alien species that epitomise Trek (though don't overuse them) and create new species - do it well (Kelpians, Kaskians) not badly (Khionians, bitch).
There, I said it out loud.
In the same universe - timeline to be a more familiar one. A group of officers who are comfortable in their current posts are suddenly reassigned to a ship with a likeable CO who is fairly closed on whether they do or don't want to be there too. (If you are in the UK - think Met Police tenure of 30 years ago when officers were put back into uniform from their current roles). The ship's mission changes suddenly due to events in the early part of the first season. They work a regular part of space but bump into the same recurring characters often, part of other alien cultures or another political alliance similar to the Federation. EDIT: Can we have another multiworld political alliance that is mutlspecies but NOT evil or a crime syndicate please?
Perhaps they - as a whole crew - under CO orders, or individually, play a bit elastic with the mission parameters or Starfleet rules to achieve the mission, in a good way. The officers begin to cohere - or not - as a crew. There are casualties along the way too. I'm fine with a bit of Ellen Landry / Spooks MI5 deep fat fryer kill off.
Yep - I know there are bits of the premise of Sisko and DS9, Mariner, Cerritos and second contact, Caleb Mir, the Maquis, the discovery of the wormhole, Babylon 5, etc all in there. Pick the best aspects of the way that these were done, drop the worst aspects, and throw in something new, with new writers. The aesthetic, uniforms, design of the Federation can be different. Keep the core 5 or 6 alien species that epitomise Trek (though don't overuse them) and create new species - do it well (Kelpians, Kaskians) not badly (Khionians, bitch).
There, I said it out loud.
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I think that's a solid concept.
Aliens are tough. Where is the Trek fandom on that issue now? People were grumbling about "forehead aliens" 25 years ago. I suggested Trek should occasionally try something like Farscape was doing, and the reply was usually 'we don't want no stinking Muppets in Star Trek!'
Anyone else just get a strong sense of deja-vu? Huh...
When they did the multiple Xindi species on ENT, I thought it was admirable. Exactly the sort of thing people said they wanted. But there wasn't much fanfare, or credit given for doing something different.
I'd love to see FARSCAPE style Muppets for aliens.I think that's a solid concept.
Aliens are tough. Where is the Trek fandom on that issue now? People were grumbling about "forehead aliens" 25 years ago. I suggested Trek should occasionally try something like Farscape was doing, and the reply was usually 'we don't want no stinking Muppets in Star Trek!'
Anyone else just get a strong sense of deja-vu? Huh...
When they did the multiple Xindi species on ENT, I thought it was admirable. Exactly the sort of thing people said they wanted. But there wasn't much fanfare, or credit given for doing something different.
The Xindi as an idea was one of the most solid, creative, plausible ideas ST has ever done. Imagine it in a year or two with top notch AI instead of 2000s CGI. It's so obvious yet took 40 years to do. I'd never realised that when they showed the badly injured Xindi corpse at the end of S2, they had to make it vague as they didn't yet know what the Xindi were going to look like. Proper seat of pants show running in those days.I think that's a solid concept.
Aliens are tough. Where is the Trek fandom on that issue now? People were grumbling about "forehead aliens" 25 years ago. I suggested Trek should occasionally try something like Farscape was doing, and the reply was usually 'we don't want no stinking Muppets in Star Trek!'
Anyone else just get a strong sense of deja-vu? Huh...
When they did the multiple Xindi species on ENT, I thought it was admirable. Exactly the sort of thing people said they wanted. But there wasn't much fanfare, or credit given for doing something different.
Even since then, has there been a similar attempt to portray the sentient beings of a planet or system in this way? I'm not caught up on all the streaming era shows.
Not that I can think of - the nearest in the Berman era is the Andorians/Aenar, Romulans/Remans, and the Dominion cloned species. In terms of the AK era - Kelpians and Ba'ul. But none of those are the same thing as such, or as well thought through.
What's funny is the thought that all of these writers would simply go back to writing Star Trek with the kind of restrictions and sensibilities that they had in the 90s. I imagine that most of the people clamoring for the old-school to return would hate what they would come up with in 2026.
I mean, Ira Behr, who had to fight to shake up the format as much as he did on DS9, famously came in to consult with B&B on Enterprise between seasons 2 and 3, and ripped the entire concept apart. Do you really think he would go back to writing Berma-Trek style stories? Or that Ron Moore would?
I mean, Ira Behr, who had to fight to shake up the format as much as he did on DS9, famously came in to consult with B&B on Enterprise between seasons 2 and 3, and ripped the entire concept apart. Do you really think he would go back to writing Berma-Trek style stories? Or that Ron Moore would?
People do expect that, yes. It's the idea of preserving the past in amber, and longing for the good old days.
It's only reasonable if none of those writers changed in the last two decades or so. Others, their style and outlook would look completely different from then to now.
i guess a reboot and its spinoffs about both how and when the federation and starfleet all started in the beginning
I would never expect to see it.
Moore has been open about feeling restricted by the kind of storytelling he was doing by the time his Star Trek days were wrapping up. Behr is in his 70s at this point. Based on his recent credits, I assume he's not retired, but certainly choosing to work a little less. I would be very surprised to see either of them return to Star Trek in an ongoing capacity. For a one-off movie or two? Well, everyone has a price.
That would be a worthwhile exercise--bring back some of these old-schoolers and see what kind of Trek they'd make when set loose.
I'm certainly not opposed to some of the "old" people coming back. It might be an ideal situation, where someone who had experience came on to act as a steady hand while new writers were mentored to bring something new to the series in a measured way.
If I had to choose, I'd like Robert Hewitt Wolfe to take a crack at it. Granted, I haven't followed everything the guy has said since the late 90s, but I've never heard him express anything that implied he had moved on from Star Trek, in the way that Moore has.
If I had to choose, I'd like Robert Hewitt Wolfe to take a crack at it. Granted, I haven't followed everything the guy has said since the late 90s, but I've never heard him express anything that implied he had moved on from Star Trek, in the way that Moore has.
I'd rather bring in new people with new ideas to work on Star Trek after Kurzman leaves. The solution can't be to bring back people who worked on it decades ago.
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