Finally, Endgame makes sense... part of it anyway

[Guartho]

One of the things that always bugged me about Endgame was that Adm Janeway decided to go back and muck with history conveniently at the end of the 7-year run and not at any other point like 10 years or 2 years.

Well... My wife has been watching Voyager for the first time. We're 6 episodes from the finale and she was grilling me about baby Paris. I said "All I'll say is, she aids someone who commits a serious crime." My wife thought this was a very strange thing to say about an infant. But, it did spark my idea for a reasonable explanation for Admiral Janeway's timing. I think Ensign Paris dictated it.

Admiral Janeway's obsession with getting her crew back earlier probably would've led her to do it earlier. She could have just as easily made the Caretaker send them back straight-away rather than wait for a Borg transwarp hub. But, she needed the help of Ensign Paris who was unwilling to risk causing herself to not be born. It was Ensign Paris who insisted that Janeway not interfere with anything before the time of her birth.

 

[STIntergalactic]

I just think that she didn't go all then way back to "Caretaker" because she has no regrets about helping that Ocampa. She still believes she did the right thing, and would do it again. She simply saw the time when they passed the transwarp hub as the best shot to get home without undoing a lot of the good that they did before that.

 

[By-Product]

... She simply saw the time when they passed the transwarp hub as the best shot to get home without undoing a lot of the good that they did before that.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Finn]

Yeah. However, its likely that in those 16 years it took Voyager the "first time" around, they helped some races, all that. So as a result, when the history was changed, it probably made things worse for some people along the route they took the first time.

 

[crouteru]

Too bad for Joe Carey that she didn't go back a couple of weeks earlier to save him...

Her motives are morally questionable.

 

[tomalak301]

... She simply saw the time when they passed the transwarp hub as the best shot to get home without undoing a lot of the good that they did before that.

Couldn't agree more.

Good point, but I still say set the Tri-cobolt devices for a timed explosion, use the array to get home, and destroy the Kazon ship in the process would have been a much better plan. Everyone is happy, even the other Kazon sects. It's not like they are going to travel all the way to the Alpha Quadrent to bully Voyager anyway.

 

[RoJoHen]

^But then poor Seven of Nine would never learn to sing.

 

[Lonestar]

If she did go back and save them during the Caretaker, they would never have rescued Seven which is one of the reasons she went back. Also, if Voyager wasn't in the DQ and didn't ally with the Borg, species 8472 would've wiped everyone out.

 

[Mrs Paris]

That's what I always thought too. Admiral Janeway could have gone back to any time period, but she had to wait until several key things happened first such as Seven comming on board and B'Elanna getting pregnant

 

[freak]

I've always questioned that too. I felt like asking: well what about the temporal prime directive? It would be my luck that she would say back: to hell with it!

 

[exodus]

If she did go back and save them during the Caretaker, they would never have rescued Seven which is one of the reasons she went back. Also, if Voyager wasn't in the DQ and didn't ally with the Borg, species 8472 would've wiped everyone out.

She also wouldn't have aquired all the info she gained by encountering the Borg so many times.




......and the second key factor, Icheb. Icheb contained the virus she needed to infect the hive.

 

[Mrs Paris]

If she did go back and save them during the Caretaker, they would never have rescued Seven which is one of the reasons she went back. Also, if Voyager wasn't in the DQ and didn't ally with the Borg, species 8472 would've wiped everyone out.

She also wouldn't have aquired all the info she gained by encountering the Borg so many times.




......and the second key factor, Icheb. Icheb contained the virus she needed to infect the hive.

was it Icheb's virus that they used? I missed that

 

[exodus]

If she did go back and save them during the Caretaker, they would never have rescued Seven which is one of the reasons she went back. Also, if Voyager wasn't in the DQ and didn't ally with the Borg, species 8472 would've wiped everyone out.

She also wouldn't have aquired all the info she gained by encountering the Borg so many times.




......and the second key factor, Icheb. Icheb contained the virus she needed to infect the hive.

was it Icheb's virus that they used? I missed that

I believe in "Child's Play" that's what the EMH descibed his virus to be.

 

[Mrs Paris]

She also wouldn't have aquired all the info she gained by encountering the Borg so many times.




......and the second key factor, Icheb. Icheb contained the virus she needed to infect the hive.

was it Icheb's virus that they used? I missed that

I believe in "Child's Play" that's what the EMH descibed his virus to be.

yeah, but I didn't know that was the virus they used in Endgame. I don't know if they actualy specified that or not

 

[exodus]

was it Icheb's virus that they used? I missed that

I believe in "Child's Play" that's what the EMH descibed his virus to be.

yeah, but I didn't know that was the virus they used in Endgame. I don't know if they actualy specified that or not

No, it wasn't specific.

 

[By-Product]

I believe in "Child's Play" that's what the EMH descibed his virus to be.

yeah, but I didn't know that was the virus they used in Endgame. I don't know if they actualy specified that or not

No, it wasn't specific.

This post is honestly just so there is another quote within a quote within a quote within a quote

 

[exodus]

yeah, but I didn't know that was the virus they used in Endgame. I don't know if they actualy specified that or not

No, it wasn't specific.

This post is honestly just so there is another quote within a quote within a quote within a quote

 

[Mrs Paris]

No, it wasn't specific.

This post is honestly just so there is another quote within a quote within a quote within a quote

 

[Jaro Stun]

This post is honestly just so there is another quote within a quote within a quote within a quote

why isnt there more quotes??? bueeeeeee :-(

 

[Kegek]

why isnt there more quotes??? bueeeeeee :-(

The system automatically deletes the quotes-within-quotes if it's three or more; thus preventing those ancient, infamous quote ziggurats from emerging.

Oh, and I would have liked Voyager to get home in the fifth season and deal with both the ramifications of the Maquis issue, the Doc and Seven integrating into Federation society, and picking up some of DS9's threads on galactic politics, thus leaving the ending quite a tad different... but that's just me.