Ah. I was referring to the use of the studio model or CGI model during the Berman era.
Ah. I was referring to the use of the studio model or CGI model during the Berman era.
Many warbirds were converted into VIP transports. Who doesn't want to b in a plush A-26 or B-23 doing 300 kts while your competitor is riding a DC-3?
If I'd been around then, a surplused PT boat with three Allisons would have been awful tempting.
The belly of one at Wolf 359 perhaps
Doesn't count, since we only saw part of what looked like an engineering hull. That's not enough proof to say that it was a full Constitution II class.
Same time, we never see another ship with that particular hull anywhere else in the franchise, that I’m aware of.
Correct; there has never been another canonical design which has a Constitution II secondary hull.
The JTVFX fan video on the Battle of Wolf 359 has a recreation of that scene of the Enterprise going through the debris. Interestingly, while this version has a modified Constitution II present at the battle they have that specific hull as a Federation II-class hull (TMP refit of a Federation-class dreadnaught).
That is their personal interpretation, though there is no on screen evidence to support.
Is there any on screen evidence that the Federation II exists?
Yeah, I think the Defiant and Galaxy are the most seen hero ship classes. More Galaxies than Defiants.
Not a TMP refit version of it, no. The only time the Franz Joseph version appeared on screen was the outline of it on a display in TWOK, and those little models in Guinan's bar in PIC. And a dreadnought with the name USS Entente NCC-2120 (taken from FJ's manual) was heard in radio chatter in TMP, but it wasn't seen on screen so it could have looked different from the FJ version.
The ironic thing is that they could probably design a TMP version of the dreadnought and wouldn't get in trouble with FJ's estate, because although it would be the same configuration, it wouldn't be the same design.
Well, we did see an FJ Dreadnought model in Picard, and Entente’s registry in TMP.
I am willing to entertain a notion that Entente perhaps was at Wolf 359….but Stargazer with four nacelles was its better.
Excelsior gets the latest tech, and Hathaway gets simpler, proven tech.
A Federation II could have separated its saucer and escaped—presumed destroyed.
The saucer has its own nacelle after all….making it a destroyer equivalent on its own.
I might have had the secondary hull ram the cube on autopilot.
I am willing to entertain a notion that Entente perhaps was at Wolf 359….but Stargazer with four nacelles was its better.
Excelsior gets the latest tech, and Hathaway gets simpler, proven tech.
A Federation II could have separated its saucer and escaped—presumed destroyed.
The saucer has its own nacelle after all….making it a destroyer equivalent on its own.
I might have had the secondary hull ram the cube on autopilot.
They used the Galaxy class CGI model in the DS9 Dominion War fleet scenes because the Enterprise-D had already been destroyed and they had the Sovereign class Ent-E, so the audience would not have been confused and thinking they were seeing the Ent-D. If the Ent-D had not been destroyed in Generations, I doubt the DS9 VFX people would have used the Galaxy model.
They did use a Galaxy-class model in “The Jem’Hadar”. A few months before it was destroyed in Generations.
Yes, but they specifically mentioned in dialogue that the ship was the Odyssey. I was referring to the random Galaxies in the Dominion war fleets.
USS Odyssey was a Galaxy-class for the "Worf Effect" with the new Dominion. Bring the strongest known starship in the Federation and have it clobbered in a fight. Much like having the new alien or godlike being toss Worf over the railing on the Enterprise bridge to show just how strong they are.
Basically this. It was before the E-D was destroyed so fans were seeing the Galaxy class as THE most powerful ship in Starfleet. Having one being taken out showed what a treat the Dominion was. And, let's be honest, even before the suicide run the Odyssey was getting thrashed.
I'm inclined to agree with much of what you said. I recall reading in a Trek ship magazine (and elsewhere) that the Galaxy-class had an expected lifetime of a hundred years. This shouldn't be too surprising, since we have real-life examples of warships serving for decades (I think the real USS Enterprise served for more than 50 years).
Despite this, Starfleet does seem to cycle through ship classes quickly, especially in the later eras. It's a shame.
Absolutely, but why design new ships all the time? Integrate new tech in existing platforms, refitting ships that are out there or add to ships being build.
I understand the Vesta, for example. She was designed because Starfleet realized that the stress of slipstream travel was not something most current designs could handle, it needed a specific shape. Sure. But new weapons, shields, sensors, advancement in warp technology like better cores and coils, could all be installed on existing Galaxy classes or ones being build.
From a production point of view, I get it. New series, new movies, new designs. People want to see cool new starships. But in universe....
I'm still toying with the idea of a fanfic set right after Nemesis, exploring at the edge of known space with a Galaxy class starship that is updated with the latest tech. Because that just makes sense to me really.
