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lol lol like tk421 and fn2187
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Im going to have agree with you. Trek has failed to expand the fanbase and at the same time alienated and lost much of the core fanbase. I think the problem was with SFA dmfor example they tailored it to young people. Baiscally made it a show for young adults and younger. Year they threw a bone having the doctor in the show but he didnt get much to do until the last couple of eps. At that point he just felt like a guest star. They picked pretty people in the core cast. Focused on relationships and trauma. Hoping it would attract young viewers. It failed. They created a show around the idea to attract young viewers. Instead they should have focused on creating a show with good stories and people that were exceptionally bright and professional or at least professoonal. We barely even saw much instruction. Ill say this if they decide go move forward with more trek or a reboot they need to look at other trek besides kurtzman Trek to emulate. SNW started out ok but than went off the rails in season two and relied too heavily on using TOS tropes(Trelabe/Q, the Gorn, time travel to tos storyline etc) to get them through. Many of which they rewrote to make more "exciting" like the Gorn. Except they just copied iff of the movie alien. SFA did the same thing and gave us Harry Potter vibes. Also top much silly comedy in both SNW and SFA. Just my opinion as usual.
They’re writing based on what they watched, listened to and experienced growing up.
I honestly don’t think it can go any other way that is going to satisfy the core base and grow the brand.
It is a damn near impossible tight rope to walk.
I always found Rodenberrys negative reaction to Meyers version of Star Trek to be ironic. Horatio Hornblower was one of Rodenberrys influences when he created Star Trek. When Patrick Stewart asked for background on his character, Rodenberry gave him Hornblower books.
Both Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer might not have been fans before they got the job, but they dang sure studied it and figured out what made that old show work. Thats why they were successful. In fact, I'd argue they had a far better grasp of what made it work than Rodenberry by that point.
Roddenberry being such a drama queen and self-righteous pain in the ass about anything after TMP never ceases to be amusing.
Yeah he trashed all trek after TMP. He supposedly didn't Ike the violence. His views had supposedly changed and he brought to the first 2 or 4 seasons of TNG. Funny thing is TOS had plenty of violence. TWOK was no different. It was mostly anger that after TMP not doing well he was given the boot.
He even got nudged out of TNG before he died. Gene was just a pest near the end.
He got high on his own mythos and thought he was better than the studios*.
*Of course he fucking wasn’t.
Perhaps believing your own hype and being on a lot of drugs isn't the best combination. Roddenberry of course made loads of retcons for his own stuff, like the no-money thing in STIV when TOS had references to pay.
No one's been alienated except for a vocal minority who use YouTube to rile up the fanbase.
Roddenberry was lashing out because Paramount removed him from authority over the movie after TMP. Meyer could have done thoughtful and introspective movies about a Starfleet which really was some sort of futuristic NASA and not at all militaristic and Roddenberry would still have insisted that's not what Star Trek is supposed to be.
The way it all looked to me was that some Star Trek fans back in the 1970s took themselves seriously and didn't want to be teased for watching the show with guys in space pyjamas shooting ray guns, so they started seriously going on about Star Trek's philosophical and political and social and moral depth and meaning. Which, to be fair, was often there. That stuff reached Roddenberry's ears and he believed it and carried it to an extreme. If you never saw him in person, you can always listen to the Gene Roddenberry: Inside Star Trek album and hear it taking hold by around 1975.
By the time TNG happened, TOS was the product of the man he used to be, who was also the man who had people telling him what he could and couldn't do. In 1987 he was the philosopher king of Star Trek. TNG would have been different from TOS even if he hadn't been pissed off that he never got to make his time travel movie about Spock assassinating JFK from the grassy knoll.
By the time TNG happened, TOS was the product of the man he used to be, who was also the man who had people telling him what he could and couldn't do. In 1987 he was the philosopher king of Star Trek. TNG would have been different from TOS even if he hadn't been pissed off that he never got to make his time travel movie about Spock assassinating JFK from the grassy knoll.
I was always curious how that would work. In the TNG pilot Beverly Crusher purchases an outfit from far point and says to charge it. Maybe by "no money" they mean "no more cash" which seems to be where we are heading now.
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