Okay, half a season.
Ok. Still be interesting to see.Okay, half a season.
Just sub Kirk, Decker, Ilia and Xon for Picard, Riker, Troi and Data in TNG S1.
And killed the franchise stone cold dead.
Actually I think it would have worked better as a Lost Era show.
And we're not even getting any decent mustard gas out of it.
Move on? To what?
There's nothing to move on to.
Stargate is gone, Star Wars too, The Orville which probably was the best "surrogate Trek" to watch is also gone.
The only thing worth to watch is still NCIS and not even that one is as good as it used to be.
So what is left? Bearded gnomes waving swords in an era which was the most boring in the history of mankind. Blood-splattering "action" movies with gangs, drugs, out-drawn bloody torture scenes and more lovely items from the 2020's. Or doom and gloom movies like "greenland" or that boring one with those two thick-heads who were on a starship going to some distant planet because the Earth was ruined or whatever and they bothy had been waken up to early and died later on.
Yawn!
If i want that kind of Entertainment, I can as well watch the news.
Wooden performance? No, I don't think so.
In fact, Picard was more wooden in PIC than Chakotay ever was.
Stereotypichal dialogue? Blame the writers!
Inconsistent details? Blame the writers!
I actually agree on how Chakotay's background story was messed up with that fake "rubber tree people" tribe. Beltran did complain about that and now he's criticized for that too!
Definititely not. Chakotay is a great character who could have become the best First officer ever if the writers had done their job.
Well, if "grow with the world" means "adapting to the taste of the 2020's, then it will be hard to survive.
It will be like that rock band which tried to adapt to modern trends and lost its old fans while not gaining any new fans.
In that case, the old fans will abandon Star Trek and the new ones already have tons of blood, gore and torture scenes to watch in the ongoing "entertainment" of the 2020's.
Yes!I enjoyed the first four or five episodes of TNG when it came out and so did millions of others.
Current Trek would kill to have the numbers that old TNG did.
I must admit that I had certain doubts about TNG when I first watched it. It came out as somewhat bland compared to the TOS movies and the episodes of TOS which I started to watch at the same time as TNG started. My first impression was "is that all there is?"
But there was something with the show and the likeable characters which made me continue to watch and after 4-5 episodes I found the series interesting and started to look forward to the next episode.
The same with DS9. It looked like a so-so spinoff to TNG when I started to watch it but it was still likeable and worth watching. Then came Duet and In The Hands Of the Prophets! Great episodes, especially Duet!
Unfortunately the TV channel who aired it in my area pulled the plug after one season so it took me a couple of years until I could watch the whole show wand realized how fantastic it is!
VOY became an immediate favorite, one of few shows in which I've taken an immediate liking to all characters. It did disappoint me later on but that's another story.
Compare that to series like Stargate Universe, ENT, DSC and NuBSG where I found the characters so bland and the stories so bad that I couldn't stand it longer than 4-5 episodes.
As for PIC, I tried to like it. But I couldn't. It was like watching a funeral.
maybe it's because the old fans have abandoned the newer Trek series and their attempt to be "modern" and the 18-34 crowd are so brainwashed with blood, gore, doom, gloom and darkness after all the recent years that they simply can't understand the subtle storytelling in classical Star Trek?
True!
And did the defenders of doom, gloom and gore elect you as their spokesman?
True.
I've been on this forum for a long time and unfortunately many of those fans who used to be here aren't here anymore. Unfortunately, some of the best and constructive people are gone, those who I really liked to discuss with.
That's true.
The point is that I know what I want of a show when i start watching it.
If I find the stories good and like the characters, then I become a fan. Like with TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, NCIS and CSI NY.
If I find the characters awful and the story bland and uninteresting, then I quit watching after a few episodes.
There are only two shows I've disliked which I continued to watch for a while despite better judgement.
One is Stargate Universe. It was awful and I gave up after three episodes. But then a guy at the same place where I was working told us all how bad it was and because of that, I started to watch it again because it became a joke between us.
The second one was PIC. I really, really tried to like it so I endured it for one season. But then I just gave up.
That's what's called a red herring strawman argument. There's nothing in my post history denigrating Star Trek.
For someone that doesn't like being disagreed with you go to a lot of trouble misrepresenting what's posted for attention.
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I’d vote for you so that’s one vote plus running unopposed so I think you can crown yourself spokesperson elect
That's what's called a red herring strawman argument. There's nothing in my post history denigrating Star Trek.
For someone that doesn't like being disagreed with you go to a lot trouble misrepresenting what's posted for attention.
Really? Even if nothing in the 21st century appeals to you, there is still over a century’s worth of films, over half a century of TV, and centuries worth of music and literature to explore. Not to mention plays going back thousands of years.
Your exhaustively detailed dislike of Trek in this century is certainly crystal clear. And, of course, you are not required in any way to like any particular iteration of Trek that doesn’t meet your expectations. Perhaps the next one will be more to your liking, perhaps not. But to say there’s nothing else, anywhere, that is worth exploring seems absurd.
Welcome to The Trek BBS.
But then how else can they continue to performatively complain?
That really amounts to less than you'd think. I've seen about 1,500 movies and read a similar number of books, along with significant parts of at least another five or six hundred of each.
As the amount of quality new material has decreased*, I've found myself beginning to run out of great older works. If you pick any genre, the actual classics turn out to be thin on the ground.
*Because of problems with the ecosystem of production, not a decline in human creativity.
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People who need something to move on to are welcome to come help me plant my garden.
That's why I do have a DVD collection of some great movies and series which I like.
But it would be nice to find something new to like too.
Nostalgia can be real fun but it's a risk that it becomes a cage.
No one is happier than me when a real good new rock band, movie and series show up!
If this is so, then your observation that there is “no where to move on to” becomes difficult to understand.That's why I do have a DVD collection of some great movies and series which I like.
But it would be nice to find something new to like too.
Nostalgia can be real fun but it's a risk that it becomes a cage.
No one is happier than me when a real good new rock band, movie and series show up!
How many people ever come close to exhausting what’s available? I’d wager the answer is quite small.
Largely owing to the nature of my work (historian), and my age (nearly 60), I’ve read several thousand books in their entirety and consulted parts of several thousand more (have 1000s in my house), and have seen several thousand films (partly for my MA thesis years ago and partly because I love film). And I am still only barely scratching the surface of what is available. I’m not sure how anyone can run out of options.
Considering the fact that there are likely tens of millions of hours of television and movies with much more being added daily, it’s an insurmountable goal to actually get to the end of content.
Good content? That’s a different story. But quality is also highly subjective.
Good content? That’s a different story. But quality is also highly subjective.
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