This is true, and I know because I'm the one who has to dispose of the bodies!
Except, it told the powers that be that there was mostly interest in the past not the future.
Characters have always had personal problems.
Hell, Mark leaves Janeway after the ship goes missing in the Delta Quadrant and - at least in onscreen canon - she never again sees her dog Mollie (books set after "Endgame" don't count). It's not childhood or young adult trauma, but losing your partner and then your dog and after you get lost on the other side of the galaxy isn't exactly the most heartwarming character study. Bad things happen to good characters and vice versa, and that's how a lot of fiction is.
Actually I should have used the past tense.
That's rude!
I don't want to turn this into another "Kes -bashing and me defending Kes" thread but I must state this: Kes was a great character and Kim did have some premise but suffered from bad writing.
Once again, Kes was a great character who could have become even better with better writers. definitely not boring.
As for bland and boring characters, I can come up with 10-20 more bland Star trek characters, including all characters in DSC and ENT (minus Trip Tucker).
So let us take that debate somewhere else and can we please continue with the topic of this thread. OK?
Hmmmm........but Trip died in some episode, didn't he?
In that case he was killed off.
As for Chakotay, he's No. 2 on my VOY favorite list. A great character with a lot of premise who could have been excellent if the show had had better writers.
Characters have always had problems. But in the 2020's they only have problems and it's actually annoying when whole episodes can be centered around some character's presonal problems instead of what the series actually is supposed to be about.
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Heck, not only that, but Mark marries her about a year after Voyager was lost. That's a pretty brief mourning period.
I do love how Prodigy made elements of Voyager and Picard better in retrospect; a feat I never thought possible.
Poor sweet doggo, maybe Janeway had a video call with her once the link was established.
Teeeeeeechnically the only Trip we saw die was a hologram, we never saw real Trip die...
Chakotay was not only interesting but eminently likable in PRO. That accomplishment alone should earn the writers multiple awards and even a Nobel Prize.
Legends say you can still hear Robert Beltran bitching about Voyager scripts even today when you step on Stage 9 at Paramount.
Let me guess… didn’t watch it?
The series finale takes place entirely in a holodeck recreation of the events of the NX-01’s final mission. Seemingly, Trip was killed but are we sure? It was hinted as such but that’s through the lens of River and Troi looking back on the events. ON THE HOLODECK. We never actually saw a body. Was there a coverup? Was he in too deep into something? Basically, he’s Schrödinger’s Trip.
When his Aurelian first officer from the Protostar is found dead and Chakotay leans down over his body we can see and feel the pain in Chakotay and how he's mourning his friend. Animators and voice acting directors in PRO got a better and more memorable performance out of Beltran than seven years of VOY writers and directors ever did.
The series is equally about human growth and managing problems as well as adventures. So, new series are doing the same as the old.
The difference will depend on individual caring for characters. I do not care about Picard. Period. He has lots of problems and traumas and episodes that center on those. I like Sisko. Sisko's trauma is front and center and he continues to process through a lot of the series.
It comes down to personal care and investment in the characters. Some I do and others I do not and that's true across all eras. I don't care about a lot of the TNG characters, but do enjoy a lot (maybe half) of the DS9 characters. I care about maybe 3 of the Voyager ones while I care a lot about the Discovery and SNW characters, especially Pike.
These are all flawed or characters with problems. That's what they do in fiction.
Ah, so he could act if given good scripts! Who knew?
He's no Olivier, but he can also rise above wood if writers actually, you know, TRY.
Beltran did deliver some good perfornances.
"MANEUVERS", "DISTANT ORIGIN", "SCORPION", and "NEMESIS" spring to mind. He just wasn't give much very often.
And he did have his really bad ones: "UNFORGETTABLE" and "THE FIGHT" immediately pop up.
"MANEUVERS", "DISTANT ORIGIN", "SCORPION", and "NEMESIS" spring to mind. He just wasn't give much very often.
And he did have his really bad ones: "UNFORGETTABLE" and "THE FIGHT" immediately pop up.
He winked....? He winked! Trip lives!
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