i guess thats an age question....i guess nowadays most younger than 50 would answer the question "Ho is captain of the enterprise" with "Jean-Luc Picard" instinctively.... (and maybe the younger than 30 with Pike?)
Hmmm i partly agree.... i assume after VOY (or even DS9) they should have made a several year break (and a better 3rd TNG cast movie than "insurrection" which would have made a nice TNG episode but was not enough "story" for a movie imo....)
but i found the general concept of a "retro series" not completely false.. i see the problems in storytelling and logic, but this coud have been handled well.
Honestly, i never understood why between TOS and TNG had to be a whole century... i understand the concept "next generation" but why couldnt this be 35-45 years? (so they always had to make tricks like "time travel" or "timeless Nexus" or "Scotty in the beamer pattern for decades" for let the different generation meet each other...
Like the SNW concept of "telling the story of Pike" just few years before TOS is not entirely bad
Well, if they want to find a new much younger audience then make a "starfleet academy" kind of high school show for teenagers, i dont have to watch it..... but yes, if you bind it logicaly more to the Berman era maybe a generation who didnt know TOS (which is hardly "cummunicable" to 3rd millenia teens) or TNG/DS9 and who identify Star Trek so rather with the New Trek crap like DIS will be encoraged to give TNG/DS9 a go...
Captain Kirk is still far and away more well known in Western culture than any other character in the franchise, with one sole exception: Spock.
Ask any random non-Trekkie who the Captain of the Enterprise is, there are a few who might say Picard, but most are going to say Kirk.
Granted it predates TNG, but Kirk is referenced in 99 Luft Balloons for crying out loud!
honestly.... i am not sure amongst the younger than 50 years people..... do we have any valid data to proof or disproof this claim?
I even could imagine that many under 30 could not even name ONE captain.....
but yes Spock is an icon, probaby the most recognised character of the whole franchise... fascinating
(and second may be Worf..... or any random orion "slave" girl)
I even could imagine that many under 30 could not even name ONE captain.....
but yes Spock is an icon, probaby the most recognised character of the whole franchise... fascinating
(and second may be Worf..... or any random orion "slave" girl)
Data is definitely far better known than Worf.
is this songa famous/known in the USA? In german?
Well, even in the german speaking world..... 99% of people over 30 know this 80s song, i am not sure this can be said about the younger ones... analogue to what i think about Kirk...
yes Data is iconic too.... all represent somehow a very extreme pattern of human behaviour, Spock the rational, intelligent guy you cant tell what he feels, Worf the irrational-emotional honour-guided belligerent viking type, and Data.... maybe the autistic genious without social competence (and all are the most interesting if they break out of their respective roles)
I did not know that!
99 Düsenflieger
Jeder war ein großer Krieger
Hielten sich für Captain Kirk
Es gab ein großes Feuerwerk
Die Nachbarn haben nichts gerafft
Und fühlten sich gleich angemacht
Dabei schoss man am Horizont
Auf 99 Luftballons
Alternately
Ninety-nine knights of the air
Ride super high-tech jet fighters
Everyone's a superhero
Everyone's a Captain Kirk
With orders to identify
To clarify and classify
Scramble in the summer sky
Ninety-nine red balloons go by
As ninety-nine red balloons go by
Well now that's stuck in my head
SF DEBRIS used that as the intro song for his TNG reviews, except in English.
It's a very good song - let it be stuck for a bit.
The "general public" and "casual audiences" you are mentioning aren't particularily interested in Star Trek at all so trying to adapt to their possible views wouldn't accomplish anything more than alienating the loyal fans.
Just like a heavy rock band I know about who tried to attract new listeners by becoming softer.
It failed. They didn't attract any new fans and many of their old fans abandoned them. Fortunately they found their way back and is now accepted by the real fans again, even if they never got as big as they once were.
The same in this case. ENT was a failure and Star Trek hasn't become as popular as it was in the 90's.
If they had made tie movie I suggested and then some new 24th century series, it would at least have kept their loyal fans and maybe gained some new ones as well.
I still think that ENT was a mistake, especially since the "pre TOS series" never looked and felt as a "pre TOS series". In that aspect, SNW has had more success.
I can agree on the "35-40 years" concept you suggest, however TNG actually worked fine as it did.
The idea of a Starfleet Academy series wasn't that bad. Unfortunately they turned it into an awful joke.
It would have been much better if such a series would have come after VOY.
However, i still think that Star Trek has to reverse to the "Berman era" and start from there again. By doing so, it wioll at least keep the fans it has and maybe attract some new fas as well.
You don't have a Berman who was taught by Roddenberry for the wooden elitist humans to lead the franchise.
The general public and casual audiences came out for the first two J.J. Abrams movies. They just had to make movies that didn't require homework to properly enjoy, which is the exact opposite of what you're suggesting they should have done.
TNG was popular. DS9 and Voyager pretty much lost viewers with every season.
It would have failed just as hard as Nemesis, if not harder. A large portion of the audience was burned out on the Berman era by that point, which is a shame because Enterprise was finally finding some real traction with its storytelling, producing episodes far better than almost anything seen in Voyager.
I've always blamed Voyager for killing the Berman era. Enterprise was a worthwhile attempt to right the ship, but it took too long to really hit its stride, only finding its footing in its final two seasons.
Bringing back the Berman era would probably be the final nail in the coffin for the franchise.
Umm…no. Just…no.
It's not like the Berman era really went anywhere since we had Lower Decks and Picard.
We were given the Berman era, TOS era, a brand new era and a very tiny glimpse into the lost era all at once.
So audiences had lots of choice, new and ingrained alike.
We were given the Berman era, TOS era, a brand new era and a very tiny glimpse into the lost era all at once.
So audiences had lots of choice, new and ingrained alike.
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