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What is your personal head canon?

I think the Jem'Hadar never really needed Ketracel White to be loyal to the Founders. I think the Vorta were telling the Founders that the Jem'Hadar were not as loyal as they thought they were, so had them addicted.

The Jem'Hadar have shown themselves to be more loyal than the Vorta. For example, in "THE SHIP", the entire compliment of Jem'Hadar killed themselves because they failed in saving the dying Founder. The Vorta, didn't.

Keevan in "ROCKS AND SHOALS": he let himself be a prisoner rather than use the kill switch they are implanted with. The Jem'Hadar fought to thei dying breath rather than be sedated and taken prisoner.


I think the Vorta are overall less loyal than the Jem'Hadar.

I don't know why the founders even bothered with the Vortas and didn't just deal with the Jem'Hadar themselves
 
I think the Vorta are overall less loyal than the Jem'Hadar.
Generally this seems to be true, though there were the Jem'Hadar who went rogue and took over the Iconian gateway.

I don't know why the founders even bothered with the Vortas and didn't just deal with the Jem'Hadar themselves
The Founders aren't managers or generals, they're gods. They leave that trivial business to their minions.
 
Generally this seems to be true, though there were the Jem'Hadar who went rogue and took over the Iconian gateway.


The Founders aren't managers or generals, they're gods. They leave that trivial business to their minions.
They think that they are gods.

Which proves just how mentally sound that they are...
 
Well, they just believe they're superior life forms to the Solids. They know they're not deities or supernatural, omnipotent beings, but can manipulate species like the Vorta and Jem'Hadar into believing that they're gods, instilling just enough fear and worship into them that orders will be obeyed.

Which at the end of the day is the Founders' greatest asset. Cowed subordinates who will slavishly follow every instruction to further the Dominion's wider goals. Which are victory over all who oppose them.
 
Well, they just believe they're superior life forms to the Solids. They know they're not deities or supernatural, omnipotent beings, but can manipulate species like the Vorta and Jem'Hadar into believing that they're gods, instilling just enough fear and worship into them that orders will be obeyed.

Which at the end of the day is the Founders' greatest asset. Cowed subordinates who will slavishly follow every instruction to further the Dominion's wider goals. Which are victory over all who oppose them.
Their greatest asset and in a way their greatest crime.
 
I don't know why the founders even bothered with the Vortas and didn't just deal with the Jem'Hadar themselves
Maybe they tried it on a limited basis and found it didn't work. Or maybe it was just unpleasant having to deal with so many people. Judging from Odo, the most common emotion among the changelings is "annoyance"
 
A ship like the J would have been built to last too, maybe centuries. You don't build a ship that big for the pitiful run some of the Enterprises got. I could see them doing a series where J as a multi-generational city-ship went to one of the Magellanic Clouds and only now was coming back, if we ever got to see trek past the point of SFA, again.

Voyager is considered outdated only a decade after its launch. I see no reason why a ship run by an organisation within a post-scarcity society, even a "big" one, would not be replaced as soon as its design starts to impede upgrades.

It's kind of wild that the 1701-J looks even more advanced than many ships we see in the late 32nd century. Drexler's design is divisive, but damn, does it feel advanced for a Starfleet vessel.

Does it? The 1701-J's design is objectively closer to 23rd/ 24th century ships. The deflector's position at the front of the primary hull can even be called a regress, since it is the same on the NX-01.

My head canon?

Everything on screen happened exactly as it appeared to.

Hopefully not. Considering the pathetic depiction of ground combat (TV production limits), the ridiculously small ranges of ship weaponry, Starfleet's discrimination against female officers in TOS, Kirk's fight with the Gorn and whatnot.
 
the ridiculously small ranges of ship weaponry

Well, realistic depictions would be boring. There is a scene in one of Larry Niven's Known Space/Ringworld books where missiles were fired from one ship and it was something like 3 days later that the results of a hit or miss was achieved.

We've seen the Enterprise attack ground targets from orbit a couple of times.

Even Star Wars battles are unrealistic. Slow energy beams, close range even for capital ships.
 
Enterprise NX-01 even made a strafing run on New York City in the 1944 of an alternate timeline. It looks ridiculous and is something right out of a video game, but Archer had to get close to the Na'kuhl temporal gateway in order to destroy it.
 
Well, they just believe they're superior life forms to the Solids. They know they're not deities or supernatural, omnipotent beings, but can manipulate species like the Vorta and Jem'Hadar into believing that they're gods, instilling just enough fear and worship into them that orders will be obeyed.

Which at the end of the day is the Founders' greatest asset. Cowed subordinates who will slavishly follow every instruction to further the Dominion's wider goals. Which are victory over all who oppose them.
Exactly so. They know they are limited, and not gods, but they want slavish devotion, and adoration as a means of control. They utilize the morphogenic abilities to get on top of the food chain.
 
And manipulate the genome of the Vorta to make them more intelligent and, thus, grateful to the Founders. They took the Vorta out of the trees and made them co-rulers of an empire spanning thousands of light-years.
 
And manipulate the genome of the Vorta to make them more intelligent and, thus, grateful to the Founders. They took the Vorta out of the trees and made them co-rulers of an empire spanning thousands of light-years.

Or at least that's what the Founders told them. They could have been lying.
 
Knowing the Founders they could just as easily have whipped the Vorta up in a genetic lab on their homeworld and fashioned the species from scratch to be obedient, intelligent humanoids with a leadership capacity.
 
I think the Jem'Hadar never really needed Ketracel White to be loyal to the Founders. I think the Vorta were telling the Founders that the Jem'Hadar were not as loyal as they thought they were, so had them addicted.

The Jem'Hadar have shown themselves to be more loyal than the Vorta. For example, in "THE SHIP", the entire compliment of Jem'Hadar killed themselves because they failed in saving the dying Founder. The Vorta, didn't.

Keevan in "ROCKS AND SHOALS": he let himself be a prisoner rather than use the kill switch they are implanted with. The Jem'Hadar fought to thei dying breath rather than be sedated and taken prisoner.


I think the Vorta are overall less loyal than the Jem'Hadar.

I believe the Founders engineered the White as a failsafe. Sure, they were 99,99% certain their genetic engineering was solid (pun intended), but to make sure that any Jem'Hadar who's engineered loyalty somehow did not take, they created addiction.
And, they were right to do. Look at the season 4 Jem'Hadar, I forgot his name. As soon as he learned that after a crash on that one planet he wasn't addicted, he immediately turned against his Gods and hoped to cure his fellow Jem'Hadar. It's ironic that it was never the planet but also a flaw in his engineering. No loyalty, no addiction.

Plus, through the show we see Jem'Hadar willing to stand up. Perhaps not to their Founders, but atleast to the Vorta, who they should also be 100% loyal to.
 
A ship like the J would have been built to last too, maybe centuries. You don't build a ship that big for the pitiful run some of the Enterprises got. I could see them doing a series where J as a multi-generational city-ship went to one of the Magellanic Clouds and only now was coming back, if we ever got to see trek past the point of SFA, again.

I think it depends on which version you look at. The earlier one from back in the day, or the newest take with a transparent hull and what looks like trees and such inside the ship.
 
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