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NuTrek's big, controversial premises

No. The next iteration of Star Trek is going to be a reboot of Kirk, Spock and the NCC-1701, for the fourth time over.
I think the popularity of TNG (era) really fucks this idea up:
You can't have Kirk & Spock at the same time with the Borg, Ferengi, Cardassians, Dominion, Q... You're missing half the franchise. A problem that ENT, JJmovies & SNW already ran into plenty.

Otherwise producers would just churn out Kirk & Spock iterations like they do with Batman & Joker.
 
I think the popularity of TNG (era) really fucks this idea up:
You can't have Kirk & Spock at the same time with the Borg, Ferengi, Cardassians, Dominion, Q... You're missing half the franchise. A problem that ENT, JJmovies & SNW already ran into plenty.

Otherwise producers would just churn out Kirk & Spock iterations like they do with Batman & Joker.

If it's a reboot, they can do whatever they want. They want Kirk fighting Borg? They can do that.
 
If it's a reboot, they can do whatever they want. They want Kirk fighting Borg? They can do that.
In theory? Yes. In practice? No. It'd be like Han Solo fighting trade federation droids. Works nicely as a one-off gimmick. But wouldn't "feel" right as a main dish - and getting the original feel wrong is the fastest way to kill any reboot.
Let’s not kid ourselves. The chances that they are going to do a nuBSG with Star Trek are much higher than making yet another show/movie with a new ship and new crew, which has been done six times already in a span of less than ten years, and has gotten progressively more uninteresting to the viewing audience at large. That’s not how you get asses in theater seats.

Just don’t make the TOS cast all female. That didnt work so well with Ghostbusters.
I agree somewhat.
Whatever comes next cannot be "just" the next entry/newest iteration. It has to stand out somewhat (and Kurtzman Trek has already exhausted all "standout" ideas in the traditional continuity like "Fall of Federation", "Borg & Dominion team-up" or "far future").

Ideally it would be a "back to the roots" kinda' thing - new crew, new ship, yaddah, yaddah, but also trying to gauge what made Trek originally so popular - and that wasn't the self referential canon or continuity. It was the adventurous feeling of strong characters exploring unexpected things in outer space.
 
In theory? Yes. In practice? No.

Well, that wouldn't be my first choice either. But that's not the point. The point is that if they are going the reboot route, they are completely unhindered with whatever story they want to tell or whatever aspects of previous lore they want to use, or even if they want to use it at all.
 
Well, that wouldn't be my first choice either. But that's not the point. The point is that if they are going the reboot route, they are completely unhindered with whatever story they want to tell or whatever aspects of previous lore they want to use, or even if they want to use it at all.
Experience disagrees:
Usually the longer the reboot goes on, the closer and closer it gets to the original work.
For Kirk & Spock we saw that with the JJmovies and the DIS/SNW pipeline (which is really several soft-reboots) already twice.

Battlestar Galactica is truly the magnificent exception, where a reboot just completely ditches all the fundamentals except some super bare basics, and then goes off and off further on it's own way.
It was also super controversial, and IMO only possible because the BSG franchise is super niché and was commercially dead at that point. No rights holders would take such extreme risks with a household name like Star Trek.
 
Experience disagrees:
Usually the longer the reboot goes on, the closer and closer it gets to the original work.
For Kirk & Spock we saw that with the JJmovies and the DIS/SNW pipeline (which is really several soft-reboots) already twice.

Battlestar Galactica is truly the magnificent exception, where a reboot just completely ditches all the fundamentals except some super bare basics, and then goes off and off further on it's own way.
It was also super controversial, and IMO only possible because the BSG franchise is super niché and was commercially dead at that point. No rights holders would take such extreme risks with a household name like Star Trek.

But saying one thing, then giving an example which completely negates what you said, isn't really good proof of anything.

With that said, I doubt that anything new will stray far from the original premise. But I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, if indeed they ever actually produce a new movie.
 
You can't have Kirk & Spock at the same time with the Borg, Ferengi, Cardassians, Dominion, Q... You're missing half the franchise. A problem that ENT, JJmovies & SNW already ran into plenty.
I mean, IDW's Kelvin Timeline comics did all that except the Ferengi. But never mind that, whenever the Borg or Q do show up, the Peanut Gallery always complain about how they're so sick of them. Now the fact the Borg or Q can't be used in a particular setting is a detractor against that setting?
 
Trek doesn’t figure out how to grow, it is pretty much over.

Almost the same as V'ger's quandry, isn't it?

Perhaps not. ...Captain, ...Trek must evolve. It's reached the limits of this itineration and it must change. What it requires of Paramount is the answer to its question, 'Is there nothing more?
McCOY: What more is there than the Enterprise, Spock?
DECKER: Other starships, different kinds of aliens
 
The TNG reboot is a wonderful idea, it occurs in the pilot episode when Picard's Android body malfunctions, and regresses back to his seventeen year old body...

He says 'Not again!, and proceeds to change his actual past into something that makes cents.
 
Is that true for the modern audience? Might help with attracting new fans, and I certainly wouldn't mind.

The powers that be are not a new audience. They might not even be an old audience. As much lip service the powers that be, especially in Star Trek, give about caring for what the fans want and attracting new fans while not alienating the old ones, at the end of the day the bean counters win and the focus is on what will make the most money while costing the least. The prevailing mindset will (continue to) be that without Kirk, Spock, and a ship named Enterprise, there won't be enough casual viewers to make the series profitable.

Especially if we enter a time period where the ip lays fallow for a few years.

That's my take.
 
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I mean, IDW's Kelvin Timeline comics did all that except the Ferengi. But never mind that, whenever the Borg or Q do show up, the Peanut Gallery always complain about how they're so sick of them. Now the fact the Borg or Q can't be used in a particular setting is a detractor against that setting?
Borg are Always a detractor.

The powers that be are not a new audience. They might not even be an old audience. As much lip service the powers that be, especially in Star Trek, give about caring for what the fans want and attracting new fans while not alienating the old ones, at the end of the day the bean counters win and the focus is on what will make the most money while costing the least. The prevailing mindset will (continue to) be that without Kirk, Spock, and a ship named Enterprise, there won't be enough casual viewers to make the series profitable.

Especially if we enter a time period where the ip lays fallow for a few years.

That's my take.
Fans demand the familiar and new at the same time.
Otherwise producers would just churn out Kirk & Spock iterations like they do with Batman & Joker.
Please do this.
 
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