That's certainly what was implied in the episode.
She's a hologram with a visual filter, that's a shrug and move on at most.
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I hope so. It sounded like that spieces actually vomits glitter.
So is the orb in the museum real or a reproduction? An orb going out is apocalyptic after all.
As for an orb being on Earth, it IS the birthplace of the Emissary.
The British Museum would absolutely have an orb on display and refuse to return it too. :rimshot:
As for an orb being on Earth, it IS the birthplace of the Emissary.
The British Museum would absolutely have an orb on display and refuse to return it too. :rimshot:
Man, that Brooks voiceover, followed by the thank you title card and DS9 music? Completely finished me off.
Really happy we got to see Jake, and was probably even happier we saw him a second time and that it wasn’t just a one scene cameo. Obviously, his second appearance was more SAM’s own version of him, so we can’t take what he said as 100% accurate, buuuutttt…
…I do with they’d been braver and just outright told us that Sisko returned.
I get it — they didn’t want to interfere too much with how DS9’s writers left things, but I don’t think outright stating Sisko returned would’ve pissed off anyone that worked on that show. As it is now, we’ve probably blown our one opportunity to definitively give Sisko a happy ending.
That said, reading between the lines, Sisko clearly still had that. Imaginary Jake stated he felt Sisko was there for everything, and so I choose to interpret that Jake DID meet his father again, even if not in a physical way he could ever prove with say a photograph. I just wish I didn’t have to still make theories, when this was the one chance to put something in stone.
One thing they fixed beautifully from DS9 though, was Jake’s ending. Never sat well with me how the show ended for Jake, but SFA has now shown us that he was at peace with his father’s role, and fate, regardless of whether he did or didn’t see Sisko again unbeknownst to others. DS9 really ended things on a dark note for Jake, so I’m glad we now know that he lived a happy life full of love, and never felt abandoned by Ben regardless of whether Ben did or did not return to him properly.
I’m going to assume that Ben did - I just wish they’d let us know for sure, as this is likely the I’ll only opportunity there will have been to do so.
Really happy we got to see Jake, and was probably even happier we saw him a second time and that it wasn’t just a one scene cameo. Obviously, his second appearance was more SAM’s own version of him, so we can’t take what he said as 100% accurate, buuuutttt…
…I do with they’d been braver and just outright told us that Sisko returned.
I get it — they didn’t want to interfere too much with how DS9’s writers left things, but I don’t think outright stating Sisko returned would’ve pissed off anyone that worked on that show. As it is now, we’ve probably blown our one opportunity to definitively give Sisko a happy ending.
That said, reading between the lines, Sisko clearly still had that. Imaginary Jake stated he felt Sisko was there for everything, and so I choose to interpret that Jake DID meet his father again, even if not in a physical way he could ever prove with say a photograph. I just wish I didn’t have to still make theories, when this was the one chance to put something in stone.
One thing they fixed beautifully from DS9 though, was Jake’s ending. Never sat well with me how the show ended for Jake, but SFA has now shown us that he was at peace with his father’s role, and fate, regardless of whether he did or didn’t see Sisko again unbeknownst to others. DS9 really ended things on a dark note for Jake, so I’m glad we now know that he lived a happy life full of love, and never felt abandoned by Ben regardless of whether Ben did or did not return to him properly.
I’m going to assume that Ben did - I just wish they’d let us know for sure, as this is likely the I’ll only opportunity there will have been to do so.
Leaving it open fires the imagination. Let's fans be creative.
I'm pretty sure the opening with that guy who got on his knee's and called her "queen" was to set up that she was embellishing certain things.
I guess I’ve just never liked it being unresolved, and never will.
I usually don't but given there are several books and films I'll never sequels about I've learned to accept it.I guess I’ve just never liked it being unresolved, and never will.
That would have obviated the point the story was making.
I'm not sure as that seem like a a very Oram Sadal thing to do. But I do agree that the vomiting glitter is a point of unreliable narration.
A much underrated element of this episode is the fact that we get a sense of that as much as Chancellor Ake talked about empathy and understanding, she really blundered it with Kelrec. The pranks she played on him really were mean-spirited and hurtful to him, which she only seems to realize now. We also got an acknowledgement that the damage done to Starfleet Academy's War College wasn't remotely small-time but rendered their area completely unusable.
It's also really confusing how someone as introverted and insecure as Kelrec has created a bunch of students so uniformly...well **** in their behavior.
Oh and I think the book was actually an orb vision or whatever since Sam tried to send Jake away and he didn't go but made a joke.
It's also really confusing how someone as introverted and insecure as Kelrec has created a bunch of students so uniformly...well **** in their behavior.
Oh and I think the book was actually an orb vision or whatever since Sam tried to send Jake away and he didn't go but made a joke.
Welcome to faking it until you make it. Introverts suffer through an extroverted world this way.
That came off more like " grandma is watching us from heaven" When Ben says it, it comes off as more tangible.
too much information
Yeah... Really was odd to see people try and argue otherwise...
They're teenagers, being shit is the standard when they don't have an adult riding heard on them.
Fucking hell. I knew about the spoilers going in to the episode, but that didn't matter. I ended up full-on crying twice - when SAM spoke with Jake at the end, and then the surprise use of the DS9 theme over the credits. What a sublime love letter to Deep Space Nine that left my heart full.
The Starfleet vs War College subplot this week was a little weak, but I don't care. The SAM/Sisko stuff was fucking GOLD. Fuck it - this was a TEN.
The Starfleet vs War College subplot this week was a little weak, but I don't care. The SAM/Sisko stuff was fucking GOLD. Fuck it - this was a TEN.
HUGE DS9 FAN. Just watched it. I thought the scenes with Jake were really strong, and the Sisko tribute was genuinely well done.
But overall, the episode felt EXTREMELY uneven.
I don’t mind comedy in Star Trek at all—in fact I actually enjoy ALLOT of lighter Trek episodes. But this one felt like it was structured as “Data’s Day” as the main plot, with “The Inner Light” as the subplot… and honestly it should’ve been the other way around. The Sisko/Jake storyline should’ve been the core of the episode, with the goofy Academy stuff as background flavor.
Instead, the cadet rivalry, the adolescent antics, the Chancellor Ake storyline… it just leaned too hard into the silly. Yes, it’s Starfleet Academy, I get that. But it felt like an episode of Lower Decks.
And while Lower Decks isn’t really my thing either, I was able to watch it once all the way through and was more forgiving there because it’s an animated satire. This didn’t feel like satire—it felt like a sitcom.
Even something as light as “Data’s Day” still felt like I was watching a high-concept sci-fi show… just on an “off-duty” day. This episode felt like the writing was aiming for sitcom-level humor and sitcom-level ambition.
If the goofy material had been toned down—less annoying and less exaggerated—I’d probably be more forgiving, even if the overall tone was still uneven. Even the “adult” plotline with Captain Ake somehow felt juvenile.
That said… the Jake material was golden. And I actually liked the Dax character and the reveal. Which makes it even more frustrating, because the episode clearly had strong ingredients.
It’s like watching “The Way to Eden” as the main plot while “City on the Edge of Forever” is happening in the background.
I’ll need to sit with it a bit more. Maybe it’ll age better on rewatch. I’m also not sure how I feel about the implication that Sisko basically never came back for his family—not even occasionally.
I can't even give this a grade yet.
But overall, the episode felt EXTREMELY uneven.
I don’t mind comedy in Star Trek at all—in fact I actually enjoy ALLOT of lighter Trek episodes. But this one felt like it was structured as “Data’s Day” as the main plot, with “The Inner Light” as the subplot… and honestly it should’ve been the other way around. The Sisko/Jake storyline should’ve been the core of the episode, with the goofy Academy stuff as background flavor.
Instead, the cadet rivalry, the adolescent antics, the Chancellor Ake storyline… it just leaned too hard into the silly. Yes, it’s Starfleet Academy, I get that. But it felt like an episode of Lower Decks.
And while Lower Decks isn’t really my thing either, I was able to watch it once all the way through and was more forgiving there because it’s an animated satire. This didn’t feel like satire—it felt like a sitcom.
Even something as light as “Data’s Day” still felt like I was watching a high-concept sci-fi show… just on an “off-duty” day. This episode felt like the writing was aiming for sitcom-level humor and sitcom-level ambition.
If the goofy material had been toned down—less annoying and less exaggerated—I’d probably be more forgiving, even if the overall tone was still uneven. Even the “adult” plotline with Captain Ake somehow felt juvenile.
That said… the Jake material was golden. And I actually liked the Dax character and the reveal. Which makes it even more frustrating, because the episode clearly had strong ingredients.
It’s like watching “The Way to Eden” as the main plot while “City on the Edge of Forever” is happening in the background.
I’ll need to sit with it a bit more. Maybe it’ll age better on rewatch. I’m also not sure how I feel about the implication that Sisko basically never came back for his family—not even occasionally.
I can't even give this a grade yet.
It "is" really in New Orleans, but everything SAM was fingering was a reproduction.
It that was the Orb of the Emissary, you could argue that the Paugh Wraiths made it, so Bajor want's it on the other side of the universe.
Well what's funny is - it would not have interfered with how it was left. DS9 writers (and Brooks) left it at Sisko would return at some point, neatly cleaning up his sudden departure in the finale. This episode did not have to explain how he returned, when he returned, what his life was like post-return, or any other so-called coda. Just that he kept his promise to Kassidy.
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