i wonder if there are other universities and collages on earth in the starfleet academy timeline
as in are the ncaa still around
as in are the ncaa still around
The War College thread
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Probably not, but several universities are referred to, including in an All Good Things with Data being a professor, and crewman Harren in Voyager serving a stint in Stafleet to get a better research position.
NCAA not being around is different than saying they're are no colleges. I doubt Earth banished all education after the Burn
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I cannot wait for SNW to retroactively put the War Collage in the 23rd century
Seriously, I don't really know what to make of it, it's so the cadets have an "enemy team" of cadets to play off of, I expected it'd be Red Squad or similar but they went with a war collage.
Seriously, I don't really know what to make of it, it's so the cadets have an "enemy team" of cadets to play off of, I expected it'd be Red Squad or similar but they went with a war collage.
I think it speaks to what that Vulcan instructor, who we must see again, was saying when he stated that certain classes were dropped from the curriculum when Starfleet moved away from learning to understand other species to defending themselves against them. Since Starfleet had to leave Earth, and they still had to train their officers, the newly established War College was how they did it. I agree that "War College" is a bit on the nose, but it's more of aI cannot wait for SNW to retroactively put the War Collage in the 23rd century
Seriously, I don't really know what to make of it, it's so the cadets have an "enemy team" of cadets to play off of, I expected it'd be Red Squad or similar but they went with a war collage.
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Starfleet literally has tactical advisors, and Georgiou attended a military academy on Andor. I don't see a War College to be out of protect for a interstellar power.
I guess the argument is why would you need a War College when Starfleet had traditionally had the "security" or "tactical" stream where you presumably start with a base set of skills and then get funneled into being trained to be military people.
Starships having weapons at all means that, even in the age where they had families on board, they recognized that there would be situations where the ships would need to defend themselves and need people who understand tactics and whatnot.
Starships having weapons at all means that, even in the age where they had families on board, they recognized that there would be situations where the ships would need to defend themselves and need people who understand tactics and whatnot.
In real life the USN has two types of commissioned officers, Line and Staff. Line officers are to be assigned to vessels that could see combat. They complete a warfare school, after their initial training in their field of expertise. When they rise up through the ranks, they can take command of a ship. Staff officers are technical specialists that haven't gone through the warfare school and only command their departments, and not take command of a warship. I had a Chief Engineer on my aircraft carrier who completed the warfare school after he obtained a degree in Engineering (which could be run by a staff officer) that made him a line officer as well as Chief Engineer, and could command a warship. He was 3rd in command behind the XO and CO. When he was promoted, his next assignment was as CO of a Destroyer. Having the War College prevents someone like Commodore Stocker (The Deadly Years) taking command of a ship and having disastrous results, because rank doesn't necessarily make someone qualified to command a ship in battle situations.
I'm not sure how Starfleet does it, but for a real life parallel, maybe the War College is for those who wish to become line officers from the start, and eventually in command of a warship, without concentrating on a technical specialty, versus the Academy being for staff officers. If you want to be able to do both, you would start at the Academy, for your technical specialty, then later transfer to the war college, to learn command skills.
Maybe it will be discussed in the show, but until it is, I will have to stick to what I know IRL and use it as head canon, unless it is explained in the series.
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The whole point of the War College is to show how Starfleet lost it's way during the Burn and is still struggling with it's identity and the exploration of that. Episode 3 and the interplay between the cadets especially Jay-Den and Kyle was setting up this arc.I cannot wait for SNW to retroactively put the War Collage in the 23rd century
Seriously, I don't really know what to make of it, it's so the cadets have an "enemy team" of cadets to play off of, I expected it'd be Red Squad or similar but they went with a war collage.
Which makes you wonder, is the plan to eventually conclude that arc by closing the War College and absorbing it into Starfleet? Either way, I hope there will be an episode diving deeper into if and how the War College is a bad idea or just not a timely one anymore. So far I didn’t get a feel for what they’re doing differently in the War College, except probably not offering any sort of scientific training.
I guess it will be integrated into the academy, similar to:
SCOTT: His military service came to an end when MACO was disbanded.
KIRK: Why, what happened?
SCOTT: The Federation, sir. Starfleet. We're not a military agency. They made him a captain and gave him the Franklin.
SCOTT: His military service came to an end when MACO was disbanded.
KIRK: Why, what happened?
SCOTT: The Federation, sir. Starfleet. We're not a military agency. They made him a captain and gave him the Franklin.
The comic says Kyle and Tarima are Starfleet cadets, and is released after the S1 finale so possible the WC folds into the Academy this season.
The war college is still starfleet though, its graduates become starfleet officers.
I was using shorthand, it specifically refers to them as Starfleet Academy cadets.
In my graduate work the university I went to had various schools and colleges under its umbrella of the university. I figure it's like that.
At the beginning they didn't trust Archer and put MACOs on the Enterprise so there was some separation, although the MACOs were eventually dissolved.
We do see that in order to be command staff you have to pass a test, but with what we see with Troi's test, it was more about leadership ability than tactical ability.
There are arguably different styles of leader - Jellico being the most obvious difference - but it's not clear that he was trained specifically to be a war captain or if he's simply an asshole (or more generously, a by the book officer).
I still think the idea of deprioritizing science and diplomacy during the Burn and focusing only on training soldiers doesn't make sense to me because even though it was the "wild west", you'd also want people to try to work on the Burn or try to connect with other planets. If anything, diplomacy would be as if not more important.
They do refer to "warships" in SFA episode 2, so that does maybe imply a separation, but it seems odd if there weren't other ships as well. Otherwise it would imply that before Burnham and Discovery shows up, they had no plan to reunite with any of the other former Federation members or didn't even bother trying.
I always thought of MACOs as the equivalent of a shipboard Marine Corps detachment (MARDET). During the Cold War, when carriers carried a nuclear deterrent, the ship had a MARDET that ran the brig and protected the X Division (nuclear weapons) spaces. After the Cold War, when the carriers only carried conventional weapons, they phased out the ship's company MARDET. Most of the Marines now onboard are no longer ship's company, but part of an air wing, or a military force for beach landings, and didn't perform watch or shipboard duties as the Navy crew on a ship would.
I don't know if they actually made it canon, but it is what I have personally experienced from time in the service in the mid 70s to early 80s, so that is how I fill in the context.
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