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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x01 – “Kids These Days”

Give it up for Robert Picardo folks!

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Having him be a more nuanced character driven to darkness by Starfleet's own fall to dictatorship like extremes would have made him a much better character overall.

Sadly what the writers seem to want is a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

The advanced reviews suggest the next time we see Braka he won't be as cartoonish.
 
Having him be a more nuanced character driven to darkness by Starfleet's own fall to dictatorship like extremes would have made him a much better character overall.

Sadly what the writers seem to want is a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
Yeah, for now I would have to agree. Some of the reviewers claim his portrayal gets better at later points in the season and I’m curious to know how they will do that. What’s unfortunate is that someone like Paul Giamatti would absolutely have been capable of playing an antagonist with more depth and nuance. Heck, a misunderstood Robin Hood type criminal who’s ideologically opposed to the Federation would arguably be something that would have catered more to Giamatti’s strengths as an actor.

Each has separate skills they bring to the table. So not really "Wesley-Sue" material
I found it a very welcome aspect of the premiere episode that several of the cadets are shown to expressly not excel in their roles. Jay-Den isn’t a brilliant doctor (yet). Darem let’s being a prick get in the way of performing well during the crisis. Sam stands in her own way with her nervousness … In fact, the theme of the crisis plot in “Kids These Days” seems to be that they excel because they are working together as a team, each one adding something to the success of what they are trying to achieve.
 
The advanced reviews suggest the next time we see Braka he won't be as cartoonish.
It's good that they thought to walk that back, but it feels like it might be a bit too late given people are going to form their impressions based on this.


How would KBL or anyone know? Silly question.
You know that brings up a question.

Why isn't ZERO one of the teachers? They'd still be alive after all.
 
Right, but in the 4th season DIS episode All is Possible, Tilly is explicitly training Starfleet Academy cadets. Furthermore, Kovich implies in that episode that the Academy had been set up for at least a short time (months, perhaps) already.
I'm guessing it's a retcon.
 
Right, but in the 4th season DIS episode All is Possible, Tilly is explicitly training Starfleet Academy cadets. Furthermore, Kovich implies in that episode that the Academy had been set up for at least a short time (months, perhaps) already.
They all died horribly because they stopped mid-crisis to have an emotional heart-to-heart, and Starfleet just re-recruited and started over.
 
Is Vance now king of Starfleet or something?
He's the CnC, so yes.
This war college is a weird name for something Starfleet related.

The war college is likely for the dark uniformed Federation security that operates alongside uniformed Starfleet personnel and has some integration and rank crossover but they exist for Federation security purposes on a grander scale than just ship or station board purposes. Lieutenant Willa was Vance's chief of secuirty and she was one of these and not just a yellow division stripe officer presumably because it was Federation HQ at the time. Nahn then later had one of these uniforms as she was working for Federation security and not a secuirty division officer but still carried her commander rank.
Based on a real thing. Call it "Graduate School" for military (GASP!) training.
The U.S. Naval War College (NWC) is the world's oldest institution of its kind, established in 1884, providing graduate-level education to military officers, government civilians, and international partners on national security, strategy, and warfare to develop future leaders for the Navy and broader national security. Located in Newport, Rhode Island, it offers master's degrees and advanced programs focused on strategic thinking, joint operations, and global maritime issues, educating leaders for senior command and contributing to future naval doctrine
 
Something I thought about the Doctor and his supposed sameness. Maybe I imagined it, but I thought there was a hint in his conversation with SAM that he had reasons for not wanting to be a mentor that might have allude to do the centuries in between. And maybe the Doctor joining the Academy staff is his wanting to return to something familiar after some time away and he is taking comfort in familiarity.
 
Vance is basically Admiral Morrow, Admiral Cartwright and the Starfleet C-in-C. from TUC rolled into one, especially since flag officers in the late 32nd century are so much more scarce.
 
They all died horribly because they stopped mid-crisis to have an emotional heart-to-heart, and Starfleet just re-recruited and started over.
I have a friend I watch Star Trek with (and other shows) and she says "Take your time" every time somebody takes a second to say something outside the immediate crisis. It's extremely annoying.
 
Something I thought about the Doctor and his supposed sameness. Maybe I imagined it, but I thought there was a hint in his conversation with SAM that he had reasons for not wanting to be a mentor that might have allude to do the centuries in between. And maybe the Doctor joining the Academy staff is his wanting to return to something familiar after some time away and he is taking comfort in familiarity.
Yeah, I picked up on that as well. I wonder if they are laying the groundwork for a later storyline where the doctor reveals what a burden immortality has become to him. He very obviously reacts very strongly when Sam mentions people that meant a lot to him but that he lost a literal millennium ago. So it seems like he’s keeping himself from getting attached to people, because he can’t handle their inevitable deaths any more.
 
Yeah, I picked up on that as well. I wonder if they are laying the groundwork for a later storyline where the doctor reveals what a burden immortality has become to him. He very obviously reacts very strongly when Sam mentions people that meant a lot to him but that he lost a literal millennium ago. So it seems like he’s keeping himself from getting attached to people, because he can’t handle their inevitable deaths any more.
Or, you know, just update the fucking system and erase his traumatic memories.
It's like SFA doesn't really want to "go out there" but rather be episodic therapy sessions for the audience.
The first episode, though with a lot of problems, was slightly fun here and there, but the second episode just killed the soft momentum.
 
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Okay…
 
I canceled Paramount Plus for personal reasons but decided to check out the free premiere on youtube.

I turned it off when the overacting villain showed up and haven't felt the urge to continue. I find the Doctor's state in the show pretty depressing to be honest. He had big dreams in Voyager to move beyond his programming, explore humanity as much as he could despite being a hologram, and so on. 800 years later and he's still doing Starfleet stuff on Starfleet ships, not really different than his routine on Voyager. I would've thought he would've moved on over the centuries. He seems pretty jaded too. For all his talk about holographic freedom in Voyager, I find it depressing that 800 years later he's basically a slave to the same old Starfleet routine, the very routine I sensed he wanted to escape in Voyager.

It's possible, even likely, that no one's keeping him there forcefully and he just found nothing better to do in his life, but that in itself is also a pretty depressing concept.
Dr Ira Graves transported his brain patterns into Data and then to the ENT-D memory banks.
PIC had Soong type androids that were deliberately kept at low intelligence mode for labor in Mars.
Picard himself had his consciousness transferred to an ndroid replica of himself.
So logically, by the 31st century, every humanoid should be immortal by transferring their consciousness to android bodies like Altered Carbon.
 
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