Yup.
So, the Argument of, "just give fans a better story and we'll like it." rings very hollow.
Are you "aging out" of Star Trek?
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So, the Argument of, "just give fans a better story and we'll like it." rings very hollow.
i havent aged out of Trek .
It's been with me since i was 11 years old. 43 now.
I do go through periods of Trek burnout. When i don't need to watch it for a while. I keep up with the new Trek shows, sometimes it gets a bit overwhelming with how many there are. I can only imagine how difficult this franchise is to get into for a newcomer.
It's been with me since i was 11 years old. 43 now.
I do go through periods of Trek burnout. When i don't need to watch it for a while. I keep up with the new Trek shows, sometimes it gets a bit overwhelming with how many there are. I can only imagine how difficult this franchise is to get into for a newcomer.
Well, the characters in PIC, both new and old, ARE much better than the characters in DSC, imo.
I think it's fair to judge the overall quality of one show as higher than that of another show, when the characters are better, even if there are similar shortcomings when it comes to plot arcs.
I've seen/heard people who are pro-change use the term. In fact, I think that is where it originated.
That might be so, but these days it's used as a slur by MAGA crowd in the US, same thing goes for rightwinged extremists here in the Netherlands.
46 and not a born Trekkie. Trek was not rerun endlessly on British TV during the 80s.
I experienced the TOS movies as a kid and definitely saw TUC in the cinema. I think I might have watched TFF but I’m not sure. I’d ask my parents, but… you know… they are dead.
So it goes.
Really but the bullet at 25 and watched the whole thing from TOS through to ENT and became a fan.
I actually waned quite a bit in my 30s, again due to availability.
My 40s have seen a resurgence however. TOS to ENT is still on Netflix in Vietnam an I watch a random episode every day pretty much. I work at home so it’s a great way to kill an hour in my break.
Long story short (sorry), I haven’t so much aged out of it, more like drifted in and out.
But I’ll always be a fan. It’s a great concept and a brilliant ‘sandbox’ universe in which an almost infinite variety of stories can be told.
I experienced the TOS movies as a kid and definitely saw TUC in the cinema. I think I might have watched TFF but I’m not sure. I’d ask my parents, but… you know… they are dead.
So it goes.
Really but the bullet at 25 and watched the whole thing from TOS through to ENT and became a fan.
I actually waned quite a bit in my 30s, again due to availability.
My 40s have seen a resurgence however. TOS to ENT is still on Netflix in Vietnam an I watch a random episode every day pretty much. I work at home so it’s a great way to kill an hour in my break.
Long story short (sorry), I haven’t so much aged out of it, more like drifted in and out.
But I’ll always be a fan. It’s a great concept and a brilliant ‘sandbox’ universe in which an almost infinite variety of stories can be told.
It's about freaking time.
Deep cover black ops wetworks.
When I was at LFL, we had R5's covert nature masked by working for a bookstore chain, slipping notes in on receipts, 'suggesting' titles to certain customers, buying 'ice cream' from the convenience store in the mall, and yeah occasionally needing to ah, clean up a certain aisle, or re-stock remainders or worse, magazines. Great to see that he got promoted.
As for aging out of Trek- I hope that I haven't become an intolerant, despairing ass in middle age. Trek's promises for the future? Ok ay that's slipped a good bit. But that was always on us, not the gumdrop buttons or colors of the doors. Anyway, I place my involvement and enjoyment firmly at my own feet. There's been a lot of, 'What the hell was anyone thinking? Was anyone thinking?', but plenty to revisit and still catch the occasional new note or thought in. The occasional bright spot as well shows up. As often as I'd like? ....
(snip) Had a bit more in here, addressing the three-headed nature of Trek's changes etc but eh.
The way that genre media for every size of screen has been produced has slipped, and has for a long while (yes I really was at Lucasfilm and had a pretty good seat at the table), and mediocrity rules. Even if someone has a 'decent' track record, it is not easy to have success in one realm and jump to something like ST. Why do we end up with CW in Space, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer in Space...? It's not easy.
Folks can only do what they know to do, work from what their input has been, and crank on the schedule they've been given, falling back on that and previous success. I don't see that many involved have had the experience with the themes and likely realities that ST tried to bring up, certainly not in media and likely not as readers either. So if we don't react well to that mix, (or cripes, recognize the source adn find it all laughable), I don't think that's us aging out.
Trek and many franchises suffer for this. It's too late to give input on the end of SNW, and who knows what will happen going forward. (Trek does its best work on television). I haven't seen anything on the sub-etha news to care about, but I remain hopeful.
Blah Blah Blah Ginger, Blah Blah.
As for aging out of Trek- I hope that I haven't become an intolerant, despairing ass in middle age. Trek's promises for the future? Ok ay that's slipped a good bit. But that was always on us, not the gumdrop buttons or colors of the doors. Anyway, I place my involvement and enjoyment firmly at my own feet. There's been a lot of, 'What the hell was anyone thinking? Was anyone thinking?', but plenty to revisit and still catch the occasional new note or thought in. The occasional bright spot as well shows up. As often as I'd like? ....
(snip) Had a bit more in here, addressing the three-headed nature of Trek's changes etc but eh.
The way that genre media for every size of screen has been produced has slipped, and has for a long while (yes I really was at Lucasfilm and had a pretty good seat at the table), and mediocrity rules. Even if someone has a 'decent' track record, it is not easy to have success in one realm and jump to something like ST. Why do we end up with CW in Space, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer in Space...? It's not easy.
Folks can only do what they know to do, work from what their input has been, and crank on the schedule they've been given, falling back on that and previous success. I don't see that many involved have had the experience with the themes and likely realities that ST tried to bring up, certainly not in media and likely not as readers either. So if we don't react well to that mix, (or cripes, recognize the source adn find it all laughable), I don't think that's us aging out.
Trek and many franchises suffer for this. It's too late to give input on the end of SNW, and who knows what will happen going forward. (Trek does its best work on television). I haven't seen anything on the sub-etha news to care about, but I remain hopeful.
Blah Blah Blah Ginger, Blah Blah.
As to the title of the Thread?
Absolutely Not!!!
I can dislike aspects, iterations, and episodes of all the Versions.
But (at going-on-Seventy Years Old) Star Trek is part of my Being…!!!
Plus, The Horta, Dr. Pulaski, and
Star Trek: Enterprise…
…but that involves about Eleventy Other Threads…
I'm not quite 70 yet (have made over 60 trips around the Sun, though).
Am I aging out of Star Trek?
No, of course not. And I'm happy to say that today (it's still November 28, 2025 in my time zone) is my 50th anniversary of becoming a Star Trek fan. I'm not over it, not by a long shot.
For one thing, I still have most of a huge collection of print fanzines to read, and a Voyager/Bonanza crossover I started writing. I don't do the modern series (Discotrek and Picard killed any interest I once had in anything after Enterprise), but there's still plenty of Classic Trek to explore.
Since I already liked Discovery, I gave Picard a pass because I already liked the type of show it was to begin with. Another show like Discovery except with a TNG skin? I was here for it.
Though I understand that, as a Picard Fan, this puts me on the same side as a lot of people who don't view things the way I do. There's never going to be anyone I'll 100% agree with. But I came to terms with that a while ago. Nowadays I just say, "We'll agree to disagree about Discovery" and I'm happy to leave it at that.
If anything, I was turned off by SNW, in part because it came across to me as basically saying, "Sorry about those other two shows!" Another main part being that between the Kelvin Films, SNW, and my lukewarm reaction to Fan Films, I've come to the conclusion that -- as much as I like TOS itself and the first six movies -- remaking/rebooting/recreating/re-whatevering TOS just doesn't appeal to me. If Apple TV tried it, maybe I'd feel differently, but otherwise...
Most people here already know all (or most) of this, but I'm posting it in case there are any who don't.
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Oh we know alright.
And the best part is, we don't care.
It's funny how perceptions can differ, because I saw it as a loose TV version of the Kelvin movies, kind of like if the 2009 movie was Stargate, this was Stargate SG-1.
I also saw it as Star Trek going back to the old storytelling, but not as an apology or replacement for anything else, but because it's been decades since they drove that horse into the ground between 1988 and 2005 and it was time to try it again.
That's an interesting way of looking at it!
It's interesting how our perceptions of what constitutes "old" changes over a lifetime.
Earlier tonight I found out that Leslie Fish died today. She was a writer of both pro novels and short stories, copious amounts of Star Trek fanfiction, and left a staggering amount of folk and filk music, much of which was never recorded. What was recorded is an amazing collection ranging from raunchy, funny Star Trek stuff to some very poignant observations of history and human nature.
I was shocked to realize that one of the songs she's best-known for, "Hope Eyrie" (an homage to the Apollo program) was begun when she was only 16 years old. She started writing it while Armstrong and Aldrin were on the Moon and she was watching the TV coverage. She said it took her years to finish it, and I have no problem believing that. I've had a filksong rattling around in my head for close to 30 years. It lacks the final verse and actually being written down on paper. I could have done it at any time over the past couple of decades, but somehow never got around to it.
I don't know the cause of death, but by modern reckoning, she was still young - only 72.
Earlier tonight I found out that Leslie Fish died today. She was a writer of both pro novels and short stories, copious amounts of Star Trek fanfiction, and left a staggering amount of folk and filk music, much of which was never recorded. What was recorded is an amazing collection ranging from raunchy, funny Star Trek stuff to some very poignant observations of history and human nature.
I was shocked to realize that one of the songs she's best-known for, "Hope Eyrie" (an homage to the Apollo program) was begun when she was only 16 years old. She started writing it while Armstrong and Aldrin were on the Moon and she was watching the TV coverage. She said it took her years to finish it, and I have no problem believing that. I've had a filksong rattling around in my head for close to 30 years. It lacks the final verse and actually being written down on paper. I could have done it at any time over the past couple of decades, but somehow never got around to it.
I don't know the cause of death, but by modern reckoning, she was still young - only 72.
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