Keeping Tasha
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Let me get Photoshop out to do a recolor... these will be quick and dirty, like my ex...
(There's a slight orange tinge and I took less time moving Worf over to Medical. but still... now Worf and Beverly can now bicker until Data shuts himself off too.)
The red is a little oversaturated (my bad but whipped all of these up in under 15 minutes in ye olde Photoshoppeth), but I'm so glad that they swapped gold and red since TOS had a plethora of "red shirt death" jokes long before 1987...
Between "The Naked Now" and "Justice", it's way too easy to see why she left faster than a bowling ball down a ski slalom having been freshly greased. It's sad when even "Symbiosis" gives her better dialogue, and "Skin of Evil" is underrated in the handling of her character.
It could be worse: There was never a moment when Wesley could be walking by, glance quickly, then come in and take out an entire group of marauding space shellfish with a crab claw cracker while saying "Just think of the solution, it's that easy!".
Also, never ever title your episode with the word "Now" in it, anywhere. Here's why, especially 0.0000000000000000001 seconds after the title is shown on screen:
I'm pretty well ok with that arrangement, from a technical perspective. It still doesn't change the reality that she wasn't likely to get featured very well, personally, being one of the least interesting characters. Data, Worf, Troi & even Geordi had way more sci-fi rizz.
It would only work imho if they'd never made Data #2. If you had Picard, Riker & Yar as the top 3, then this configuration works, and everybody else is support, who are ultimately much more interesting lol
Agreed. It never really made much sense that they were combined anyway. Tactical/Armory are engineers/technicians (unless you also separate out those roles), whereas Security are operators/specialists.
Not in S1, but certainly by mid to late series as LaForge was.
Voyager got it right with Communications being part of Operations, IMO.
DSC went a bit OTT with two Bridge Operations Officers, a Communications Officer and a Tactical Officer, but SNW isn't quite as bad with a Navigator (who can double as Tactical), Communications Officer and Tactical Officer (typically manned by the Security Chief if at all).
In my fever dream, Riker’s the one who leaves the ship, which would make Yar the new XO because—again, in this same fever dream—she’d already been promoted to lieutenant commander. Yes, that technically overlooks Data, since he’s the second officer and next in line, but maybe they talked it over and Data was like, “You know, it’s such a great fever dream, let’s roll with it. I’ll stay at Ops.” Ever the understanding android and all.
Red looks amazing on her! Love this!Let me get Photoshop out to do a recolor... these will be quick and dirty, like my ex...
(There's a slight orange tinge and I took less time moving Worf over to Medical. but still... now Worf and Beverly can now bicker until Data shuts himself off too.)
The red is a little oversaturated (my bad but whipped all of these up in under 15 minutes in ye olde Photoshoppeth), but I'm so glad that they swapped gold and red since TOS had a plethora of "red shirt death" jokes long before 1987...
Was Data actually confirmed as being Second Officer in S1?
I mean logically he probably should have been, but I sometimes thought that Yar was actually depicted as next-in-line after Riker.
To quote Memory Alpha:
During a second encounter with the Ferengi that year, Data was introduced to Bok by Captain Jean-Luc Picard as his "second-in-command", after Bok's own second officer was Rata was introduced. (TNG: "The Battle").
As noted above Data was referred to by Picard as his "second-in-command" (rather than "third-in-command") during the same introduction of Riker as his "first officer", both are the same title.
On several occasions thereafter, he was introduced as the ship's second officer. (TNG: "First Contact", "Time's Arrow", "Starship Mine")
And from the transcripts of Starship Mine:
RIKER: Mister Data, I don't know if you've had a chance to meet ourhost, Commander Hutchinson. Call him Hutch. Lieutenant Commander Data,our second officer.
But yes - in season 1, we only have the snippet from The Battle.
Yellow never suited her imho. Even Data wore it better lol. Geordi was the only one to ever pull off the yellow suit. Everybody else looks better in the red or blue. Even Picard didn't look bad in the blue suit... But if you put him in the yellow?Red looks amazing on her! Love this!
I was so happy about Tasha in red that I completely missed Worf in blue.Let me get Photoshop out to do a recolor... these will be quick and dirty, like my ex...
(There's a slight orange tinge and I took less time moving Worf over to Medical. but still... now Worf and Beverly can now bicker until Data shuts himself off too.)
The red is a little oversaturated (my bad but whipped all of these up in under 15 minutes in ye olde Photoshoppeth), but I'm so glad that they swapped gold and red since TOS had a plethora of "red shirt death" jokes long before 1987...
Dr. Worf, M.D., OBGYN. "Today is a good day to PUSH!"
I didn't assume he was a physician. I assumed standard bridge science officer. We see them on the back consoles all the time. Having one be a regular cast member would be a terrific ideaI was so happy about Tasha in red that I completely missed Worf in blue.
Dr. Worf, M.D., OBGYN. "Today is a good day to PUSH!"
Likely would have taken some of Worf's plots and lines, but not all of them for sure. Klingons probably wouldn't have gone for her to be his Cha'dich and Picard had more gravitas as captain though she could have provided protection for him maybe? More of her backstory and visits to her jacked up world and a less placid and rosy view of the Federation that couldn't stop that.
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I've just watched season one and feel there was another reference... even if obliquely. Would be helpful if I could remember it! Unless I heard second in command and didn't register properly.
Edit. Found it. The Last Outpost. The Ferengi talk about sacrificing the life of their second officers and Data quips "Fortunately, Starfleet has no such rules involving our second officers."
Now you could argue that the statement can be a general statement, but it's heavily implied that the Joke data is making is that he's grateful they don't have that rule.
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I'm a Tasha fan, big highlight in the first season. So for sure I would've been happy to see her stick around, at least another season, but the iconic cast is great as is of course. But yep I'm pro Yar, Denise Crosby is great.
Also, since online I read how bad season 1 is a lot etc, I'm lucky I happened to have such a good viewing of it. (In my basement with my friends in my 20s circa like 2006). And I remember it very fondly, even though I see the low point eps mentioned and I can see where people are coming from. But yeah I really enjoyed it, and Tasha helped for sure.
Also, since online I read how bad season 1 is a lot etc, I'm lucky I happened to have such a good viewing of it. (In my basement with my friends in my 20s circa like 2006). And I remember it very fondly, even though I see the low point eps mentioned and I can see where people are coming from. But yeah I really enjoyed it, and Tasha helped for sure.
Without reading a year and a half worth of posts...
Had Denise stuck it out until things improved, I think they could have done some interesting things with her. Yar and Worf aren't redundant, they're complimentary. It was mentioned above that separating security, tactical and communications would have been a first step. Put Worf solidly at tactical and Yar as chief of security as well as comms to keep her on the bridge. Then when there is an onboard threat, Worf and Yar logically team up to handle it.
What is striking is how difficult it was for the TNG staff to handle an ensemble cast. Large casts weren't new to TV just Star Trek. And while the series was episodic, there were still odd threads that were revisited over time. Geordi would have still gone to Engineering, putting Wes in his spot on the bridge as it happened IRL. Yar would have benefitted from further development, maybe even having to go back to the colony she escaped from. Worf would still break out mostly because Dorn was so f'n good in the role and even while Tasha was still there, he was a joy as the season progressed.
I would have loved to see Tasha fighting alongside Worf during his struggles during the Duras situation. And at no time would we see them romantically linked. They had the basis for the best friendship in TNG next to Data and Geordi.
Had Denise stuck it out until things improved, I think they could have done some interesting things with her. Yar and Worf aren't redundant, they're complimentary. It was mentioned above that separating security, tactical and communications would have been a first step. Put Worf solidly at tactical and Yar as chief of security as well as comms to keep her on the bridge. Then when there is an onboard threat, Worf and Yar logically team up to handle it.
What is striking is how difficult it was for the TNG staff to handle an ensemble cast. Large casts weren't new to TV just Star Trek. And while the series was episodic, there were still odd threads that were revisited over time. Geordi would have still gone to Engineering, putting Wes in his spot on the bridge as it happened IRL. Yar would have benefitted from further development, maybe even having to go back to the colony she escaped from. Worf would still break out mostly because Dorn was so f'n good in the role and even while Tasha was still there, he was a joy as the season progressed.
I would have loved to see Tasha fighting alongside Worf during his struggles during the Duras situation. And at no time would we see them romantically linked. They had the basis for the best friendship in TNG next to Data and Geordi.
Weird thing, I just watched Heart of Glory and The Arsenal of Freedom and Tasha is great throughout. Denise actually shines in situations like those and I wonder if Denise really felt like she wasn't being treated properly at this point. They have everyone a lot to do in Freedom, some more than others, obviously. But She's not wallpaper in these episodes or redundant.
It actually makes me wish she did stick it out.
It actually makes me wish she did stick it out.
Deanna served an alien ability sci-fi function, (like Spock had) with her vague ESP... albeit rather poorly. She was also used to introduce her mother, opening up one of the more involved backstories of the early 2 seasons. Her, Wesley & Data comprised the lion's share of character backstory in those early seasons, & one Riker episode.
Conversely, Tasha's distinctions were that she was tough, and also from a crappy place that made her tough, & despite that being the totality of her defining characteristics, it never really played believably IMHO, compared to Ro Laren, who in only 8 episodes on that show, dwarfed her impact as a strong character, who would believably go off and fight with revolutionaries.
