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Or grocery store staff could just be allowed to protect their stock and property from moonbats stalking the aisles and obfuscating their faces from the security cameras, which is an instant red flag for anyone in the commercial retail industry with half a brain. 
They used to.
Yup. Keeping your face covered and avoiding staff are two of the biggest red flags I can recall keeping an eye out for working retail.
Well. That article has definitely put me off from seeing "Empire Strikes Back". I'll save my $2.69 for "The Gong Show" thank you very much!
I think that's true for some of us to a great extent. I know that I attribute some of my detachment toward movies like Superman 1978 and big franchises like Star Wars and the revived Star Trek to having been an adult in my twenties when they were first released.
There is also the theory that you can "mark the baby". My parents went to see Star Wars in a drive in theater about two days before I was born. I was born about two weeks early. There are parts in the film that I can "feel" when they play (music mostly near the second half of the film). Star Wars has always been a part of my life.
I like Tracy's comments from 2019.
"Clearly, I was far too hard on the movie."
Ya think?
Sounds to me like a case of of her being upset because the sequel didn't line up with her fanfictions.
"Clearly, I was far too hard on the movie."
Ya think?
Sounds to me like a case of of her being upset because the sequel didn't line up with her fanfictions.
The irony of all of that is I personally found ESB to be the best of the three in the OT. Best written, best acted, and really some amazing cutting-edge VFX for the time. In may ways I still find it the best overall, including being compared to the PT and ST, and I know many others out there have felt the same way over the years.
I guess some folks either don't like or understand the A/B/A model of storytelling, as the darker "B" part usually shows our heroes down and out, necessitating the third installment to allow them to bounce back and win. I mean, shit, it's even in the title, "The Empire Strikes Back", (spoiler alert right?
) It's one of the oldest writing styles out there, but many felt taken aback and by surprise by that, thinking the protagonists should always win no matter what.I dunno.... YMMV, I guess.
I heard the ending is very controversial too. NO SPOILERS!
I know I'd definitely be keeping an eye on a person if I saw them come into the store where I work dressed like that. Unless it was the weekend of Phoenix Fan Fusion (our local comic-con) or a Star Wars release day, then I might at least be a little more forgiving.Or grocery store staff could just be allowed to protect their stock and property from moonbats stalking the aisles and obfuscating their faces from the security cameras, which is an instant red flag for anyone in the commercial retail industry with half a brain.
And yes there were a few times people came in in their full costumes on PFF weekends when I worked at Wal-Mart.
Isn't it pretty much standard for the middle part of any story to be the darkest part?The irony of all of that is I personally found ESB to be the best of the three in the OT. Best written, best acted, and really some amazing cutting-edge VFX for the time. In may ways I still find it the best overall, including being compared to the PT and ST, and I know many others out there have felt the same way over the years.
I guess some folks either don't like or understand the A/B/A model of storytelling, as the darker "B" part usually shows our heroes down and out, necessitating the third installment to allow them to bounce back and win. I mean, shit, it's even in the title, "The Empire Strikes Back", (spoiler alert right?
I dunno.... YMMV, I guess.
Exactly. I guess some folks don’t like some depth to their stories.
I’ve sometimes imagined what it would be like to do the opposite: a trilogy in which the first part is tragic and downbeat and ends in seeming tragedy, the second part is brighter and happier and ends on a hopeful note, and the last part utterly destroys that by going even darker than Part I and ending the trilogy with a colossal crescendo of doom.
I’m a lot of fun at parties.
Beowulf is kind of that way.
So is "The Graduate" in some way.
There are films like that, usually structured either with a U or a inverted U style. The inverted U is closer to what you described and is considered the classic tragedy.
OTOH a lot of people don't care about the past at all (if it's more than 15 years old, with 2 or 3 exceptions, it's irrelevant). I think not at all surprising that those who care a lot about something from long ago would not be particularly open to thinking that something released right now or within last 5 years would be as good as the best, would tend to be particularly focused on something decades old as the best in big part because of thinking styles and products got a lot worse after.
A lot of fans still haven't come around to liking dark middle chapter in Lucas's other big trilogy, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, thought that was pretty much just bad wrong idea/type, liked and still like a lot Last Crusade being kind of feel-good remix/remake of the original film, and with that director Spielberg himself has tended to agree, to pretty openly distance himself from it and to say that that they and he went too far with that.
Remember what Star Trek TOS fans said when TNG came out? Or Galactica TOS fans (all seven of them) when Moore's reimagining came out?
Moore received literal threats!
I'm sure if there was a reimagining of The StarLost the show runners would have to go into witness protection.
Fans are the worst. Long live the casual viewers!
Moore received literal threats!
I'm sure if there was a reimagining of The StarLost the show runners would have to go into witness protection.
Fans are the worst. Long live the casual viewers!
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BURN!!!
Almost the entire online ecosystem of Galactica TOS fandom has now almost disappeared (there are some old sites out there that are purely '90s-era), but even at their peak, they were a tiny fraction of everything dedicated to Star Trek. Still, I read some mind-blowing things on their boards. They were truly convinced that Galactica was a phenomenon comparable to Star Trek and couldn't understand why they didn't make a direct sequel to the original series.
A good article on the subject
So Spew We All: Toxic Fandom’s Beta Test in BATTLESTAR’s Fandom
