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Fandom never changes…

Incidentally, I think fandom has always been toxic. The difference is that once upon a time, they could only complain in a some fanzine with a circulation of a few dozen copies. Now they can wish death directly on the social media profile of someone who, in their opinion, has committed the crime of lèse-majesté against their favorite franchise.
 
Yep. The "democratization" of public opinions really kind of ruined everything at so many different levels. I mean, let's not even bother with Fandom Menace and Nerd Wars. It's had a direct impact on the uptick of teen suicides in the past couple of decades. Simply tragic and unnecessary. My 13 year old daughter is still not allowed to use social media and I'm going to try to keep it that way as long as I possibly can, while I'm seeing her "friends" on multiple cocktails of mind-altering anti depressants, who are still cutting themselves in public. All of them are on social media except my girl (who has learned to stop pestering her mom and I about it). And yes we check her phone and desktop computer regularly for those things.

Granted, correlation doesn't imply causation, but sometimes the patterns are just too clear to ignore.
 
Yep. The "democratization" of public opinions really kind of ruined everything at so many different levels. I mean, let's not even bother with Fandom Menace and Nerd Wars. It's had a direct impact on the uptick of teen suicides in the past couple of decades. Simply tragic and unnecessary. My 13 year old daughter is still not allowed to use social media and I'm going to try to keep it that way as long as I possibly can, while I'm seeing her "friends" on multiple cocktails of mind-altering anti depressants, who are still cutting themselves in public. All of them are on social media except my girl (who has learned to stop pestering her mom and I about it). And yes we check her phone and desktop computer regularly for those things.

Granted, correlation doesn't imply causation, but sometimes the patterns are just too clear to ignore.
Remember when everyone said something like "George Lucas r***ed my childhood"? Jesus. I would never expose a 13-year-old to something like that.

That's not a normal thing to say. Not even as a hyperbole.
 
Don't you think 13 year olds are saying worse things to each other anyway?
Do you have kids?

If you do, then you should know better than to ask such a tone-deaf question.

If you don't, I'm not entirely sure why you feel in any way qualified to comment on a topic you know literally nothing about.

Must be that whole "democratization of (worthless) public opinion" I mentioned up-thread. If that's the case, thanks very much for accidentally proving my point.

Moving on...
 
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Almost the entire online ecosystem of Galactica TOS fandom has now almost disappeared (there are some old sites out there that are purely '90s-era), but even at their peak, they were a tiny fraction of everything dedicated to Star Trek. Still, I read some mind-blowing things on their boards. They were truly convinced that Galactica was a phenomenon comparable to Star Trek and couldn't understand why they didn't make a direct sequel to the original series.

A good article on the subject

So Spew We All: Toxic Fandom’s Beta Test in BATTLESTAR’s Fandom
Wow, talk about delusional. I mean it's fine to be a fan of the show, but to all you had to do was look around at the general pop culture landscape to see that it had nowhere near the kind of cultural influence that Star Trek has.
 
Do you have kids?

If you do, then you should know better than to ask such a tone-deaf question.

If you don't, I'm not entirely sure why you feel in any way qualified to comment on a topic you know literally nothing about.

Must be that whole "democratization of (worthless) public opinion" I mentioned up-thread. If that's the case, thanks very much for accidentally proving my point.

Moving on...
A simple "No, 13 year olds are all church ladies" would have sufficed...

If only we lived in a universe where there was more than one way to know something.
 
Yep. The "democratization" of public opinions really kind of ruined everything at so many different levels. I mean, let's not even bother with Fandom Menace and Nerd Wars. It's had a direct impact on the uptick of teen suicides in the past couple of decades. Simply tragic and unnecessary. My 13 year old daughter is still not allowed to use social media and I'm going to try to keep it that way as long as I possibly can, while I'm seeing her "friends" on multiple cocktails of mind-altering anti depressants, who are still cutting themselves in public. All of them are on social media except my girl (who has learned to stop pestering her mom and I about it). And yes we check her phone and desktop computer regularly for those things.

Granted, correlation doesn't imply causation, but sometimes the patterns are just too clear to ignore.

The only concern I have about something like that is culture shock after they are say 18. I went from a private school to a public school around the age of 13. That was a culture shock, not just in how students are, but also how the schools are very different in teaching styles.
 
That's why it's the parents'/guardians' job to ease them into stuff like that, knowing it's out there and the dangers it poses to developing minds.

For far too long, parents have been looking to the public school systems to basically serve as surrogate parents and government-run day-care centers. I see it all the time when I go to parent-teacher conferences and other school events. Sure, it's difficult when both parents are working (or just the one, if in a single-parent family), but I personally have seen way too many parents just write off their kids and leave them to their own devices. Some of my daughter's friends are dealing with this - and not very well. It's like they (the parents) just look the other way and hope for the best. Lots of these kids do musical and dramatic presentations (my daughter is one of them), and far too often they are there on their own after their parents just drop them off or, worse, just leave them there the entire day through the night and then pick them up after.

In the worst cases (which are thankfully super-rare), we have people who leave their kids in cars during extreme temperature conditions to go to bars and party, only to find them dead in the back seat from heat stroke or hypothermia, if they're even sober enough to notice. Again, these occurrences are highly uncommon, but still make the evening news on occasion when they happen. I mean, why have kids if they're never going to at least pretend to have a vested interest in their well-being and development? Then they genuinely wonder why, later in life, their kids hate their guts.

The song "Cat's In The Cradle" by Harry Chapin is actually quite a poignant representation of this phenomenon. It's obviously something that's been happening for a long time.

Over-protective "helicopter" or "bulldozer" parents are just as damaging to a child's development. The kids are never allowed to grow up and discover things on their own as the parents make everything in life as easy as possible. This breaks down once they enter the "real world" where nobody is interested in giving anyone a free ride. A delicate balance is required and I've found that many people who call themselves "parents" seem to have have zero patience for that, more's the pity.

Why can't we be better than this for our kids? That was more of a rhetorical question... I don't expect anyone to answer because I don't think there really is one, other than "people gonna people". :sigh:
 
Incidentally, I think fandom has always been toxic. The difference is that once upon a time, they could only complain in a some fanzine with a circulation of a few dozen copies. Now they can wish death directly on the social media profile of someone who, in their opinion, has committed the crime of lèse-majesté against their favorite franchise.
Honestly, it breaks my brain a little with fans.
 
Nobody hates a property than the people who call themselves fans of said property.

Nobody would hate a bad, decades later sequel(s) more than someone who loved original(s), although a lot of general viewers do tend to think most sequels are pretty bad/cheap of course with not caring much about something at all they would also not care one way or other later, caring a lot/loving would yes obviously cause a lot more disappointment for a letdown.
 
Nobody would hate a bad, decades later sequel(s) more than someone who loved original(s), although a lot of general viewers do tend to think most sequels are pretty bad/cheap of course with not caring much about something at all they would also not care one way or other later, caring a lot/loving would yes obviously cause a lot more disappointment for a letdown.
I love the OT and do not hate the ST. To me, loving something doesn't justify the hate.
 
If you actually are a fan of something, you're going to find something positive about every element of it, including parts that you didn't like, because that's what being a fan is.

I didn't originally like the seventh season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer at all (to the point that I and a couple of other, now-former members of these forums tried creating our own version of the season), but I still ultimately ended up finding some positive things to say about it by the end.
 
I didn't like the ST as much as the others, but I can make it work. I can see what they were going for (more or less) and can accept it. I am looking forward to post-ST projects as I wonder what state the Galaxy will be in after the Fall of the First Order and what remains of the Republic.
 
I'm just hoping they finally move on from the Empire as the bad guys and give us something different.
I have to love how people will complain a franchise getting to repetitive, and then when they do something different, they're mad that it isn't just like the other movies or whatever.
 
I'm just hoping they finally move on from the Empire as the bad guys and give us something different.
I have to love how people will complain a franchise getting to repetitive, and then when they do something different, they're mad that it isn't just like the other movies or whatever.
That's exactly why things get repeated. Companies want people to come back, to hit the feel good aspects of it. It's why Star Wars was a risk when first released, and thought to just be bouying up Fox's line up going in to summer.

Just did my rewatch of Mandalorian Season 3 and it still is at the top of my list for most enjoyable seasons for the streaming shows. It has a good twist with the challenges, Gideon is a true villain you like to hate, and the world building is very fun. My wife watched it with me for the first time so we were enjoying it as a fun adventure like Bad Batch that she had just finished.
 
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