What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

[Farscape One]

Yes she was considered a main. She was in most of the episides.

If the name is not in the title sequence, then the actor/actress is NOT a lead.

Even DS9, with the myriad of characters they had that FELT like leads (Garak, Nog, etc.), there were only 9 people (8 in seasons 1-3) listed during the theme... Brooks, Auberjonois, Dorn, Farrell (1-6, for season 7, it was de Boer), Lofton, Meaney, Shimerman, Siddig, and Visitor. Only those people were considered leads

That was especially true from TOS-ENT.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hell, even DeForest Kelley wasn't one of the main leads in Season 1. He wasn't promoted to the opening credits sequence until the start of Season 2.

 

[T'Bonz]

Nah. I think in casting age matters. Also you know many of us POC folks we tend to look younger than we are. usually in hollywood black actors can look the same for 20 years so in hollywood they tend to cast much much older black actors opposite younger white actors because melanin makes us look younger

so if you do cast a very young black actor and do not explain the context of why they are young they could feel out of place with the mature older white actors. In the first seasons of SNW, Uhura gave me Anakin Skywalker Phantom Menace prequel vibes. Even her whole arc was the new one in training like anakin but there was no need to make her 10-20 years younger than the rest.

Also No way should uhura ever look like mostly a little confused kid standing next to a grown woman as chapel who get to be portrayed as more fun, confidence and even flirty.

This is not true to the star trek lore. fact. I think the change of this does hurt how the character in perceived compared to the other much older girls, if we were to take her as a truly the younger version of tos

Also here is that sensual scene I was talking about between kirk/uhura from tos that would make it hard to interpret here in SNW since SNW Kirk looks old enough to her dad.

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A lot of SNW Characters have their issues Spock messed up love life, Chapel been just a terrible person for no real reason,, Pike is always absent, We do not know what Una does despite rebecca best effort , Oretga needs to wave to the camera to show she is still around and with Uhura, snw would have fared better than the original and I do not think she would even have faced much criticism that she does not do much had she been a new character.

OK Gabby1701, I think you didn't get that "stop" means STOP.

It's not enough that you're unhappy that women have prominent parts or that you feel they're too sexy/flirty. Now you're upset that a certain woman is not prominent enough.

I don't know what the deal is with you, but you need to stop with this NOW. Again, we get that you don't appear to like how women are portrayed. So don't watch the show.

No more talk from you about Chapel, or Spock's love affair (or lack thereof) or any other whining about women. This woman, and most here, have had enough. If it keeps up, I'll keep warning, and you'll sit out for longer and longer. If I were still running the place, I'd have already ejected you permanently.

Watch the show and accept it for what it is. Or find another show with an all male cast or something, eh?

Generally, I'm pretty tolerant but I've reached the end with you. And people around here will tell you (when you get back), that when I say stop, I expect you to stop.

 

[Maurice]

Billing is contractual, and your placement in the credits, and whether your name appears in the opening or closing credits is oft based on what your agent was able to negotiate... and if other actors got there first (hence Jonathan Harris being the last credited actor in the Lost In Space titles, since the billing for the rest of the cast was locked for the pilot that his character didn't appear in).

 

[The Salt Umpire]

We didn't even know Uhura's first name until the 2009 Kelvin Timeline movie, and there's still no canon birth year for her even though she's now a character that's been in popular culture for almost sixty years.

Nyota was mentioned as her first name in a few of the 80s Trek novels, along with (IIRC, it's been 30 years since I read them) Hikaru for Mr. Sulu. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[TRON JA307020]

In retrospect only, not at the time, and certainly not in terms of billing or studio contracts.

But in modern times she's been considered s main and thsts why the kiss is considered the first. She was prominent in the show because she was on thst bridge all the time. She also got into.missions occasionally as well. Shows that might have done it first with guest stars etc. thats different.

 

[cooleddie74]

Nyota was mentioned as her first name in a few of the 80s Trek novels, along with (IIRC, it's been 30 years since I read them) Hikaru for Mr. Sulu. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

In non-canon novels, sure. That's why Trek 2009 ran with it since so many diehard Trekkies were familiar with the name from some of the books. Hikaru became official canon in TUC in 1991.

 

[Farscape One]

Nyota was mentioned as her first name in a few of the 80s Trek novels, along with (IIRC, it's been 30 years since I read them) Hikaru for Mr. Sulu. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This is true. The novels, however, are not canon.

But... that doesn't mean fragments can't be taken from novels and made canon by putting them on screen in the movies or shows. Like Uhura and Sulu's first names, or a nod to the VOY novel BATTLE LINES in the episode "COURSE: OBLIVION" when silver-blood Chakotay and Tuvok mention they were almost conscripted into a battle fleet.

 

[Firebird]

But in modern times she's been considered s main and thsts why the kiss is considered the first. She was prominent in the show because she was on thst bridge all the time. She also got into.missions occasionally as well. Shows that might have done it first with guest stars etc. thats different.

Which is why I said she’s considered a main character in retrospect only.

 

[Maurice]

Hell, even DeForest Kelley wasn't one of the main leads in Season 1. He wasn't promoted to the opening credits sequence until the start of Season 2.

"As I said…" here.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Which is why I said she’s considered a main character in retrospect only.

Which is why that episode is a big deal.

 

[Tallguy]

It (Plato) is considered a big deal because for some reason now it's remembered (wrongly) as the FIRST TIME ANYONE LET THIS HAPPEN. (What show after this one gets to pick up the kudos for the first CONSENSUAL kiss?)

But it's not the big deal people claim it to be. And it's not even just the first time it happened and anyone noticed. It's only (for some reason) the one that got famous. It's not like things started to change because "Hey, they did it on Star Trek!"

Now, the importance of Uhura in general? Sure. There is a leg to stand on. Although that's because things were beginning to change overall and Nichelle and the show created an enduring character.

But it is NOT because Star Trek was alone in the wilderness, charging ahead with a person of color in a recurring role as an officer against the objections of half of the Untied States and all of the NBC censor board as the Legend would tell you.

She was part of a monuments and slow change and she was the one that lasted. And wow, that's a lot.

 

[fireproof78]

But it is NOT because Star Trek was alone in the wilderness, charging ahead with a person of color in a recurring role as an officer against the objections of half of the Untied States and all of the NBC censor board as the Legend would tell you.

But, but, those evil executives!


Yeah, no, they wanted more diversity and pushed for it. It was a ongoing movement meant to expand market share. Yes, those evil executives wanted more evil money so they dared to include more people.

 

[The Wormhole]

She was in most of the episides.

And? Michael Hogan (Col. Tigh) was in nearly every episode of Nu BSG, I think there's only three or four episodes he wasn't in, but since he was never listed in the opening credits, he's not considered main cast of that show.