What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

[fireproof78]

By 60s standard Uhura was a big deal.

That doesn't make her a main cast member so my point stands.

reality is if you know nothing about Star Trek and you only saw SNW you would not think much of Uhura at least not compared to Chapel or freaking Laan who is a new character.

Then don't compare. Uhura stands on her own and did so across multiple stories. So, strawman argument is straw.

really we are watching a star trek show where chapel does look and acts 10 years younger than Uhura when we know in TOS, Uhura was the one who could handle a conversation better and acted more mature?

They both are fine. There's nothing in TOS pointing towards ages, and certainly I did not think that Kirk was the same age as Uhura or Chapel, and probably at least ten years their senior.

There's nothing here that can't be understood as characters growing and maturing as humans do.

 

[fireproof78]

The pedantic "a-ha, there were actually a number of other prior interracial kisses" stuff over the last page is really lame. The Kirk-Uhura kiss has stuck in the cultural memory, it's entirely fair to suggest that it's influential and point out that it's often cited as the first, even if it isn't literally the first.

It's still a bullshit position to take. Check it out! The first interracial kiss was forced upon humans! Isn't that amazing!

As the kids today would say, that's cringe

 

[Starflight]

Sure, but the context of it being an upsetting scene in one of the worst episodes doesn't change the cultural impact, especially since many people know it simply as Shatner and Nichols kissing in a notable TV series, rather than the full context of Kirk and Uhura being tortured by weird aliens.

I get where people are coming from because I've been doing a videogame history project for ages and I'm constantly wound up by people saying things like "Lara Croft was the first playable woman in a game" which forces me to get my stupid list of like 200+ previous examples out. It definitely is worth pointing out that prior, better examples of interracial romance exist on TV, but the way people piled on gabby seems a bit much, especially since as far as I can tell she didn't even claim it was the first, just that its cultural impact means that it's often cited as such!

 

[gabby1701]

Star Trek was never an ensemble show. Shatner and Nimoy were the stars out the gate, and Kelley was pushed up into star status beginning in the second season. There was no parity there for the rest of the cast, who were featured players, easily written out of episodes as circumstances dictated, and several of whom didn't have contracts at all but handshake deals. Nichols was under an actual contract only once, for the front half of season two.

Two, Uhura was not the first Black woman in a non-stereotypical recurring role on US TV. Quoting from our article, Uhura, Black to the Future:

As to MLK influencing Nichols, how and when that happened isn't clear, as Nichols' own accounts aren't always in agreement. Ande Kindryd (née Richardson) told us she recall Nichols excitedly telling her about meeting King, so that supports her having met him, but the circumstances are unclear, thus we have only Nichols' accounts to go on.

As we've said repeatedly, being the first isn't as important as being influential. East Side/West Side ran only one season and is largely forgotten, but Star Trek's still around and millions saw a Black woman as part of an aspirational future, and that's what actually mattered.

um ...being the first isn't as important as being influential? is this for real? the person who set the foundation. um so I would assume some snw fans may not know much about trek lore but surely you must have know a bit about what made TOS ground breaking. some kelvin fans did and went to do more research after they saw the reboot Filma.

Thanks but I am not in the business of rewriting iconic black characters to defend why the new reboot version is not having the same impact or seem non existence compared to the other girls. take that up with the creators of snw. I will let pop culture do the talking.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc...elle-nichols-used-uhura-change-world-n1297628

https://www.startrek.com/en-un/news/the-legendary-legacy-of-nichelle-nichols

https://www.timesofisrael.com/groun...lle-nichols-lt-uhura-on-star-trek-dies-at-89/

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/stories/nichelle-nichols-inspirational-afro-supa-hero

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-01/lt-uhura-nichelle-nichols-black-actresses.

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Um, I hope I am still on a star trek board. if I am having to explain the impact of uhura. so SNW has this big issues in reality huh? we are now trying to re write iconic characters to justify why it is okay she is more in the supporting or foregtbale roles to others.

Really? when the last time we saw the character on the big screen, she was the lead main female and more than holding her own with the big boys?

sure..ok

As I said with SNW one of the core of the show was to try and re write the entire narrative of star trek even to the point media outlets chose to market the show as the first real trek series since enterprise but I did not know some would take it this far that we are now erasing iconic POC character history. bad territory to enter. no substance to back it up.

 

[Starflight]

^ I think Maurice's last sentence was essentially agreeing with you; the fact that Uhura isn't literally the first professional black woman in an American television series is less important than the reality that she proved to be one of the most influential.

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ I think Maurice's last sentence was essentially agreeing with you; the fact that Uhura isn't literally the first professional black woman in an American television series is less important than the reality that she proved to be one of the most influential.

This would require someone to read and understand Maurice's post.

 

[Maurice]

^ I think Maurice's last sentence was essentially agreeing with you; the fact that Uhura isn't literally the first professional black woman in an American television series is less important than the reality that she proved to be one of the most influential.

Yes. That's the point. Uhura was influential because she was and is seen by millions for years and decades, even if she wasn't the first non-stereotypical Black woman on US network TV.

 

[Maurice]

The Kirk-Uhura kiss has stuck in the cultural memory

Only because Trekkies have promoted it as ground-breaking, and that idea's stuck around because of that repetition. It wasn't even a blip at the time it happened. A Black man did passionately kiss a white woman on US TV a couple of years earlier on a major drama, but no one remembers that.

 

[gabby1701]

That doesn't make her a main cast member so my point stands.



Then don't compare. Uhura stands on her own and did so across multiple stories. So, strawman argument is straw.



They both are fine. There's nothing in TOS pointing towards ages, and certainly I did not think that Kirk was the same age as Uhura or Chapel, and probably at least ten years their senior.

There's nothing here that can't be understood as characters growing and maturing as humans do.

Nah. I think in casting age matters. Also you know many of us POC folks we tend to look younger than we are. usually in hollywood black actors can look the same for 20 years so in hollywood they tend to cast much much older black actors opposite younger white actors because melanin makes us look younger

so if you do cast a very young black actor and do not explain the context of why they are young they could feel out of place with the mature older white actors. In the first seasons of SNW, Uhura gave me Anakin Skywalker Phantom Menace prequel vibes. Even her whole arc was the new one in training like anakin but there was no need to make her 10-20 years younger than the rest.

Also No way should uhura ever look like mostly a little confused kid standing next to a grown woman as chapel who get to be portrayed as more fun, confidence and even flirty.

This is not true to the star trek lore. fact. I think the change of this does hurt how the character in perceived compared to the other much older girls, if we were to take her as a truly the younger version of tos

Also here is that sensual scene I was talking about between kirk/uhura from tos that would make it hard to interpret here in SNW since SNW Kirk looks old enough to her dad.

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A lot of SNW Characters have their issues Spock messed up love life, Chapel been just a terrible person for no real reason,, Pike is always absent, We do not know what Una does despite rebecca best effort , Oretga needs to wave to the camera to show she is still around and with Uhura, snw would have fared better than the original and I do not think she would even have faced much criticism that she does not do much had she been a new character.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You'll note that gabby has totally ignored what Maurice said about Cicely Tyson in Eastside/Westside, because that doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[gabby1701]

Yes. That's the point. Uhura was influential because she was and is seen by millions for years and decades, even if she wasn't the first non-stereotypical Black woman on US network TV.

meennnnn people still trying to rewrite history the kiss even has its own wikipedia page.? and lots of commentary.

we may argue on the first IR Kiss on tv but this is the most impactful, also Kirk and Uhura were hot as fire in TOS. In fact both were the big two sex symbols on the show so having them kiss only drew more attention. It crazy the kirk/uhura kiss did get more attention than spock/chapel kissing because Uhura was just more memorable than Chapel in TOS. OH. SNW Writers? Spock already kissed Chapel in TOS so I hope you explain that away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_and_Uhura's_kiss

Sure but oh...it is nothing. Look at this point the snw creators can just come out and say SNW is an alternate reality because I do not see kirk and uhura kiss been interpreted here.

t kirk and uhura kissing in SNW would be like wesley kissing troi. SNW Uhura does not seem to even has that kind romantic chemistry with SNW Kirk or even Spock and that is because she looks like a teenager or youngling next to them. Nichols/Saldana slayed both guys.

Also another mistake the show made with Uhura. Uhura should always have that kind of chemistry with kirk and spock even if a relationship is not realized like TOS.

 

[Michael]

For fuck’s sake, the kiss between Kirk and Uhura in “Plato's Stepchildren” was not romantic. Did you even watch the freakin’ episode?

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Farscape One]

Nah. I think in casting age matters. Also you know many of us POC folks we tend to look younger than we are. usually in hollywood black actors can look the same for 20 years so in hollywood they tend to cast much much older black actors opposite younger white actors because melanin makes us look younger

so if you do cast a very young black actor and do not explain the context of why they are young they could feel out of place with the mature older white actors. In the first seasons of SNW, Uhura gave me Anakin Skywalker Phantom Menace prequel vibes. Even her whole arc was the new one in training like anakin but there was no need to make her 10-20 years younger than the rest.

Also No way should uhura ever look like mostly a little confused kid standing next to a grown woman as chapel who get to be portrayed as more fun, confidence and even flirty.

This is not true to the star trek lore. fact. I think the change of this does hurt how the character in perceived compared to the other much older girls, if we were to take her as a truly the younger version of tos

Also here is that sensual scene I was talking about between kirk/uhura from tos that would make it hard to interpret here in SNW since SNW Kirk looks old enough to her dad.

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A lot of SNW Characters have their issues Spock messed up love life, Chapel been just a terrible person for no real reason,, Pike is always absent, We do not know what Una does despite rebecca best effort , Oretga needs to wave to the camera to show she is still around and with Uhura, snw would have fared better than the original and I do not think she would even have faced much criticism that she does not do much had she been a new character.

There was nothing sensual about that scene between Kirk and Uhura in "MIRROR, MIRROR". That was Kirk helping Uhura to move past her fear about the situation and to focus on the job at hand.

 

[Firebird]

Did you even watch the freakin’ episode?

Given how many things they get wrong, I have my doubts they’ve seen the show at all.

 

[fireproof78]

This is not true to the star trek lore. fact.

Based on what lore? We know next to nothing of Uhura or Chapel in their personal lives

 

[HotRod]

By 60s standard Uhura was a big deal.

By the 2000s I think the character was just fully more realised with Zoe Saldana. in the reboot movies which is the most main stream trek content we have gotten since maybe DS9. Saldana Uhura is the main lead female in all 3 films. there were other female characters like Amanda, Carol and Jayal in the series but Uhura was the central point and that made sense because in TOS Between Uhura Chapel and Rand. Uhura was most popular and well liked by fans.

I think this is why she got to star in all 6 films of TOS and tend to be the only female character in many TOS Collections or memorabilias. Chapel is not even in the reboot movies because Chapel was not that relevant enough to give attention. she only gets a mention. Janice Rand is not mentioned either.

So clearly to the critics who point out that in SNW Uhura is just a background character, they are doing this because they know the character history and SNW does not match it. it is a retcon that does not benefit such an iconic character.

more importunely I fault the creators of the show. They made a core mistake in using the ''names'' of this characters but never intended for them to have much resemblance to their TOS version.

I feel the creators of this show did not care or do any research about Uhura or even what made her iconic. they just wanted their young one innocent stand in pov and they used the name of uhura, so they get the same result as they did with Adira or even with Soji from Picard. yeal all 3 (soji/adira/uura) are like the same characters. who all now turn out to be not really popular and unmemorable characters and are no where getting much attention or heavy lifting as the other more mature adult characters that will always get the better story lines.

I say this as a poc but Uhura should never have been the ''kid'' in the group. big mistake.
The reality is if you know nothing about Star Trek and you only saw SNW you would not think much of Uhura at least not compared to Chapel or freaking Laan who is a new character. Uhura was not needed in SNW and if they wanted her there they should have found an actor at least in their early 40s or late 30s to play the role with the magnetic screen persona and strong charisma as Nichelle Nichols. which if were to be honest is what made TOS Uhura also popular because she did not really do as much as the boys.

Celia must have been like 19 or 20 when the show started. what were they thinking when Paul was already pushing 40. making her that young rewrites a lot. I just looked at the age of Jess Bush and she is 33 years old so that even makes her almost 10 years older than Celia. Laan actress is also near 40.

really we are watching a star trek show where chapel does look and acts 10 years younger than Uhura when we know in TOS, Uhura was the one who could handle a conversation better and acted more mature?

You know, just because an actor is a certain age doesn’t mean the character has to be the same age. Uhura isn’t playing a “kid.” She’s playing a young adult. There’s a difference. Watching her grow from a young cadet who’s unsure of herself and her place in the universe into a smart, capable Starfleet officer is one of Strange New Worlds’ biggest strengths. This is in contrast to Uhura in the Kelvin films, which made it seem like she got her posting on the Enterprise because she was sleeping with her teacher. Oral sensitivity, indeed.

um ...being the first isn't as important as being influential? is this for real? the person who set the foundation. um so I would assume some snw fans may not know much about trek lore but surely you must have know a bit about what made TOS ground breaking. some kelvin fans did and went to do more research after they saw the reboot Filma.

Thanks but I am not in the business of rewriting iconic black characters to defend why the new reboot version is not having the same impact or seem non existence compared to the other girls. take that up with the creators of snw. I will let pop culture do the talking.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc...elle-nichols-used-uhura-change-world-n1297628

https://www.startrek.com/en-un/news/the-legendary-legacy-of-nichelle-nichols

https://www.timesofisrael.com/groun...lle-nichols-lt-uhura-on-star-trek-dies-at-89/

https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/stories/nichelle-nichols-inspirational-afro-supa-hero

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-01/lt-uhura-nichelle-nichols-black-actresses.

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Um, I hope I am still on a star trek board. if I am having to explain the impact of uhura. so SNW has this big issues in reality huh? we are now trying to re write iconic characters to justify why it is okay she is more in the supporting or foregtbale roles to others.

Really? when the last time we saw the character on the big screen, she was the lead main female and more than holding her own with the big boys?

sure..ok

As I said with SNW one of the core of the show was to try and re write the entire narrative of star trek even to the point media outlets chose to market the show as the first real trek series since enterprise but I did not know some would take it this far that we are now erasing iconic POC character history. bad territory to enter. no substance to back it up.

WTF are you even talking about!?

 

[cooleddie74]

We didn't even know Uhura's first name until the 2009 Kelvin Timeline movie, and there's still no canon birth year for her even though she's now a character that's been in popular culture for almost sixty years.

 

[Maurice]

A Wikipedia page is no proof of anything. It's the quality of the sources that matters.

We've dug through the trades and contemporary reporting, and that so-called "kiss" gets zip coverage other than Variety's review, which chides the show for not being brave enough to let the kiss be unforced. The story of its influence appears to come from Trek fandom, which is hardly an impartial source.

In sheer numbers, if you believe the Nielsens, more people saw Kirk & Uhura's forced liplock on Nov. 22 than Robert Wagner's brief goodbye smooch with Denise Nicholas on It Takes A Thief on Dec 31; 9,120,000 to 7,780,000. So there's that tiny nod in Star Trek's favor.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I really don't think you understand the meaning of the word "factual."

I would say in 2025 they same to be using it about as accurately as possible...which is a sad indictment on the world